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> Umm... I have visited a number of Daesh and ISIS support sites. I have commented on their recruitment videos. I've also communicated with both the PKK and YPG

> Umm... I have visited a number of Daesh and ISIS support sites. I have commented on their recruitment videos. I've also communicated with both the PKK and YPG. I'm not a Muslim, I'm a secular Buddhist. I just wanted to understand what they were fighting about. Then the DOJ/FBI/CIA will investigate you and find you harmless and innocent. No worries. I'd still want them to check, though, if you were my neighbor (nothing personal here, just hypothetically saying). > Additionally, no! The site in question's primary purpose is not illegal... It's not a 'make threats about Trump' site. I think it is. Maybe it is subjective. I'll let the DOJ and the courts decide. What do you think? > That a subset of users have made threats in no way implicates the whole. True, and I never said that. I just want them to be investigated, or even just ruled out. > So, yes, it is unethical - and almost certainly a violation of the 4th. I'm not okay with ceding the protections of the constitution to assuage your fear. Terrorists scare me exactly none, nor do these people threatening the president scare me. I don't think it is unethical. I think it is unethical to provide a platform to violent terrorists, and defend them. I'm glad you're fearless, but I want a society in which these violent anti-democracy lunatics rot inside a jail, and not roam the streets. > If they were gonna assassinate the president, they'd not announce it online. If they do, they are too stupid to act on the threat. By all means, prosecute them. However, narrow the warrant to just the accounts that made threats. DOJ thinks all accounts are suspect. They would like to check. I think it is perfectly reasonable, given the level of violence we have seen from these groups recently. > Fear doesn't motivate me to give up my rights. It also doesn't motivate me to insist you give up your rights. Amen, but let's let the police do their job. They create an environment which allows us to be free, and to say anything we want without fear of repercussions.

KGIII 9y ago
Alright, let's start at the beginning. Do you know what a search warrant is, why it is needed, and what it entails? I'm going to assume you don't. It is a writ to search a specific place for specific evidence. Note: you can be prosecuted for incidental discoveries over the course of a lawful search. It is needed because it is a right. The government has limited rights. They can only search when there is probable cause. Probable cause is when a reasonable person would judge there to be a high probability of discovering evidence in the search. It entails a very specific process in which a judge decides the scope of the warrant. As mentioned above, it is for specific evidence and areas. In this case, those would be the IP addresses of those making threats. That's pretty much it. This warrant is going to be found to be overly broad and not pass muster. That's a good thing. I realize you're scared. That's okay. What's not okay is asking/demanding others cede their rights to make you feel less scared. There are no terrorists that are going to try to harm you. Of all those people on the site, only a few have violated the law. I can't take away your rights because I am scared. I'm glad and I wouldn't do it if I could. We only take rights away when there's an articulated, and reasonable, suspicion of unlawful activity. Go ahead, get the account information for those who made threats. The next judge is going to rule the warrant overly broad, anyhow. Good on the hosting company, though sad that this has become almost routine.
- vorotato 9y ago
  It's folks like Dingo_bat that remind me as frustrating as libertarian capitalists are, I should just be grateful they aren't the authoritarian capitalists. Private industry rights are more important than your rights is substantially less terrifying than private industry and government rights are more important than your rights.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    I am just going to have to assume they haven't thought it through. It's not limited to just one part of the political spectrum, however. This veers off-topic, but it ties back in. About three months ago, on a different site, I had a conversation with a very liberal lady. The conversation was about someone being detained for failing to unlock their encrypted drive when demanded to do so by the judge. The thing is, she wanted him to be held in perpetuity, because she was certain he was a pedophile. No, she was certain - and repeated this, over and over again. Granted, the guy is probably a pedophile. However, no evidence suggests he is. He just refuses to unlock his drive for the investigation. She wants him to be detained until he has proven himself innocent. She further insisted that all allegations should result in the accused needing to prove their innocence. You know... I served as a Marine. That's how I paid for college. Sometimes, I'm pretty frustrated too. This sort of thinking, on all ends of the spectrum, isn't going to help us have a functional justice system, a system that is needed for a democracy. And, yes, I am on the political left. I just call it as I see it. No, I don't have a solution. I don't have the answers. Damned right, it's frustrating.

KGIII 9y ago

Alright, let's start at the beginning. Do you know what a search warrant is, why it is needed, and what it entails? I'm going to assume you don't. It is a writ to search a specific place for specific evidence. Note: you can be prosecuted for incidental discoveries over the course of a lawful search. It is needed because it is a right. The government has limited rights. They can only search when there is probable cause. Probable cause is when a reasonable person would judge there to be a high probability of discovering evidence in the search. It entails a very specific process in which a judge decides the scope of the warrant. As mentioned above, it is for specific evidence and areas. In this case, those would be the IP addresses of those making threats. That's pretty much it. This warrant is going to be found to be overly broad and not pass muster. That's a good thing. I realize you're scared. That's okay. What's not okay is asking/demanding others cede their rights to make you feel less scared. There are no terrorists that are going to try to harm you. Of all those people on the site, only a few have violated the law. I can't take away your rights because I am scared. I'm glad and I wouldn't do it if I could. We only take rights away when there's an articulated, and reasonable, suspicion of unlawful activity. Go ahead, get the account information for those who made threats. The next judge is going to rule the warrant overly broad, anyhow. Good on the hosting company, though sad that this has become almost routine.

vorotato 9y ago
It's folks like Dingo_bat that remind me as frustrating as libertarian capitalists are, I should just be grateful they aren't the authoritarian capitalists. Private industry rights are more important than your rights is substantially less terrifying than private industry and government rights are more important than your rights.
- KGIII 9y ago
  I am just going to have to assume they haven't thought it through. It's not limited to just one part of the political spectrum, however. This veers off-topic, but it ties back in. About three months ago, on a different site, I had a conversation with a very liberal lady. The conversation was about someone being detained for failing to unlock their encrypted drive when demanded to do so by the judge. The thing is, she wanted him to be held in perpetuity, because she was certain he was a pedophile. No, she was certain - and repeated this, over and over again. Granted, the guy is probably a pedophile. However, no evidence suggests he is. He just refuses to unlock his drive for the investigation. She wants him to be detained until he has proven himself innocent. She further insisted that all allegations should result in the accused needing to prove their innocence. You know... I served as a Marine. That's how I paid for college. Sometimes, I'm pretty frustrated too. This sort of thinking, on all ends of the spectrum, isn't going to help us have a functional justice system, a system that is needed for a democracy. And, yes, I am on the political left. I just call it as I see it. No, I don't have a solution. I don't have the answers. Damned right, it's frustrating.