3 ms·

I hope that was in jest, otherwise you demonstrate why discourse has ceased being reasonable.

by KGIII 9y ago

jolux 9y ago
All I mean is that people who are entirely comfortable about where their politics are with regards to a given discourse rarely feel the need to reaffirm said politics in an abstract sense, i.e., "I'm on the far left too, but--" whatever.
- KGIII 9y ago
  It seemed easier than dealing with the probable responses that my own experiences condition me for. Namely, if I point out a negative action, people have historically commented with false beliefs about my politics. It was meant to save time and add clarity. I know there are people on my side of the political spectrum who do things I don't agree with. I know that my favored politicians are less than ideal. I admit this. I'd have voted for Bernie in the general, had he been the candidate. At the same time, I watched the video where the young lady was killed. They had bats, rebar, and it looked like one had a chain. Life isn't a video game, they didn't just pick that stuff up off the ground in those numbers and with that level of readiness. I also know they weren't Trump supporters. No, they are on the left. They are on the same end of the political spectrum as I. But, the usual response I get (when pointing out flaws by those on my end of the spectrum, which happens with great frequency) is to all me everything from a Nazi to a Trump supporter. (I am not sure which one they consider worse.) So, I figured I'd save some time. It would appear that it didn't work to save one bit of time.
  - jolux 9y ago
    But I don't understand what you'd have the left do in that situation, turn the other cheek? Conservatives love boasting about carrying around their guns. Frankly the fact that somebody was killed to me suggests that they weren't properly armed to defend themselves. This is of course assuming you don't unconditionally condemn violence, which you might.
    - KGIII 9y ago
      I'd have them not go to counter protest while brandishing weapons - or at all. Go the day before, go the day after, or at least don't go punching the other side as they are marching peacefully. The right was actually behaving themselves, by all accounts. Well, other than the being Nazi part. They were peacefully marching, albeit with torches, and then some folks decided to punch a Nazi. Don't do that. Violence is sometimes the only answer. It's not the answer to peaceful marching, no matter how much Nazis suck. They have a right to peacefully assemble, even though they suck. Going down to instigate violence is bad. Don't do that. Also, maybe don't brandish weapons and hit people. That's not going to change hearts and minds. When the car smashed into the crowd, the weapons were already out. Besides, if they are worried about firearms, a bat is a poor choice of defensive weapon. Let them protest. That is their right. Why they were carrying tiki torches is beyond me, but they weren't actually hurting anyone with them. They were just being idiots, also known as Nazis. Let them do their thing and have your own peaceful protest. I admit, it's pretty tempting, but they might just want to stop punching Nazis - unless the Nazis start swinging first. I mean, isn't the goal to be better than the other side? And, yeah... Don't go brandishing weapons. That's just dumb. It's even more dumb if you believe the opposition has firearms. Firearm vs. rebar means firearm wins - except for in the movies. Also, carrying a bat may scare one of them into using their firearm - they are a not very bright and very skittish group. Treat them like big, dumb, herd beasts.

I hope that was in jest, otherwise you demonstrate why discourse has ceased being reasonable.

by KGIII 9y ago

I hope that was in jest, otherwise you demonstrate why discourse has ceased being reasonable.

All I mean is that people who are entirely comfortable about where their politics are with regards to a given discourse rarely feel the need to reaffirm said politics in an abstract sense, i.e., "I'm on the far left too, but--" whatever.

KGIII 9y ago
It seemed easier than dealing with the probable responses that my own experiences condition me for. Namely, if I point out a negative action, people have historically commented with false beliefs about my politics. It was meant to save time and add clarity. I know there are people on my side of the political spectrum who do things I don't agree with. I know that my favored politicians are less than ideal. I admit this. I'd have voted for Bernie in the general, had he been the candidate. At the same time, I watched the video where the young lady was killed. They had bats, rebar, and it looked like one had a chain. Life isn't a video game, they didn't just pick that stuff up off the ground in those numbers and with that level of readiness. I also know they weren't Trump supporters. No, they are on the left. They are on the same end of the political spectrum as I. But, the usual response I get (when pointing out flaws by those on my end of the spectrum, which happens with great frequency) is to all me everything from a Nazi to a Trump supporter. (I am not sure which one they consider worse.) So, I figured I'd save some time. It would appear that it didn't work to save one bit of time.
- jolux 9y ago
  But I don't understand what you'd have the left do in that situation, turn the other cheek? Conservatives love boasting about carrying around their guns. Frankly the fact that somebody was killed to me suggests that they weren't properly armed to defend themselves. This is of course assuming you don't unconditionally condemn violence, which you might.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    I'd have them not go to counter protest while brandishing weapons - or at all. Go the day before, go the day after, or at least don't go punching the other side as they are marching peacefully. The right was actually behaving themselves, by all accounts. Well, other than the being Nazi part. They were peacefully marching, albeit with torches, and then some folks decided to punch a Nazi. Don't do that. Violence is sometimes the only answer. It's not the answer to peaceful marching, no matter how much Nazis suck. They have a right to peacefully assemble, even though they suck. Going down to instigate violence is bad. Don't do that. Also, maybe don't brandish weapons and hit people. That's not going to change hearts and minds. When the car smashed into the crowd, the weapons were already out. Besides, if they are worried about firearms, a bat is a poor choice of defensive weapon. Let them protest. That is their right. Why they were carrying tiki torches is beyond me, but they weren't actually hurting anyone with them. They were just being idiots, also known as Nazis. Let them do their thing and have your own peaceful protest. I admit, it's pretty tempting, but they might just want to stop punching Nazis - unless the Nazis start swinging first. I mean, isn't the goal to be better than the other side? And, yeah... Don't go brandishing weapons. That's just dumb. It's even more dumb if you believe the opposition has firearms. Firearm vs. rebar means firearm wins - except for in the movies. Also, carrying a bat may scare one of them into using their firearm - they are a not very bright and very skittish group. Treat them like big, dumb, herd beasts.