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Those were a bunch of Bernie supporters out there in Charlottesville this weekend swinging around Nazi and Confederate flags?

sremani 9y ago
What is this ? http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/gallery/virginia-gop-shooting/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/gallery/virginia-gop-...
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- chasing 9y ago
  A lunatic with access to firearms?
  - tnone 9y ago
    But one unhinged guy in a car is suddenly representative of the right wing? I say this being on the left. I'm utterly appalled at what goes on in social media. People who a few years ago were quiet exemplars of sanity are now calling for violence, witch hunts and pretending like the US is one step away from civil war. It's media that's doing this. A protest by one's own side is powerful, solemn and the height of democracy. If it's the other side, it's intimidating, primal and a rapid descent into tyranny. One rotten egg on your own side is just an unfortunate lunatic, on the other it's emblematic of the radicalization hidden just beneath the surface. The informational content has made way for a completely emotional, tribal way of looking at the world. It's just convenient narratives, with no one particularly interested in figuring out whether something is actually big, or just puffed up into the next big news cycle. News coverage now creates importance, instead of the other way around. The people who keep this going are the ones who benefit from eternal conflict, and it's not you and I. This time the antifa found casus belli in the death of a compatriot. Just the same, the right could've gotten unlucky (or lucky) and had one of their own die to a u-lock to the head at Berkeley. Fill in your own examples, if you can still remember them a few weeks later. Violence begets violence, especially if you broadcast it non stop for rageclicks and social validation points. It's not journalism anymore, it's just juvenile activism and pandering.
    - billions 9y ago
      We need to get over social news drama like teens learned to hide their provocative pics from Facebook.
- dredmorbius 9y ago
  Whataboutism and deflection with an attempt to distract, if you ask me.
KGIII 9y ago
No, they were the ones with bats, rebar, and other weapons. Before you try to assume my politics, I'm pretty far left.
- jolux 9y ago
  >Before you try to assume my politics, I'm pretty far left. Suuuure you are.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    I hope that was in jest, otherwise you demonstrate why discourse has ceased being reasonable.
    - jolux 9y ago
      All I mean is that people who are entirely comfortable about where their politics are with regards to a given discourse rarely feel the need to reaffirm said politics in an abstract sense, i.e., "I'm on the far left too, but--" whatever.
      - KGIII 9y ago
        It seemed easier than dealing with the probable responses that my own experiences condition me for. Namely, if I point out a negative action, people have historically commented with false beliefs about my politics. It was meant to save time and add clarity. I know there are people on my side of the political spectrum who do things I don't agree with. I know that my favored politicians are less than ideal. I admit this. I'd have voted for Bernie in the general, had he been the candidate. At the same time, I watched the video where the young lady was killed. They had bats, rebar, and it looked like one had a chain. Life isn't a video game, they didn't just pick that stuff up off the ground in those numbers and with that level of readiness. I also know they weren't Trump supporters. No, they are on the left. They are on the same end of the political spectrum as I. But, the usual response I get (when pointing out flaws by those on my end of the spectrum, which happens with great frequency) is to all me everything from a Nazi to a Trump supporter. (I am not sure which one they consider worse.) So, I figured I'd save some time. It would appear that it didn't work to save one bit of time.
pharrington 9y ago
No, but always form the strongest version of your argument that you are capable of. The dude who shot up the congressional baseball game a couple months ago was a Bernie supporter.
- chasing 9y ago
  It wasn't really an argument. Most of a roundabout way of saying that the white suprematists out in force this weekend celebrating racism and genocide were far righters. And I think you'll find that Nazi and Confederate flag-waving is less popular on the left. In my humble experience. There are crazy people from across the political spectrum who commit violent crimes. Yes, many are liberal. Many are conservative. Trying to tally who did more is silly. But if we're against violent crime, maybe we should also have a conversation about gun control. Edit: You appear to have changed the phrasing of your comment. You originally asked if that was the strongest argument I could come up with.

sremani 9y ago

What is this ? http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/gallery/virginia-gop-shooting/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/gallery/virginia-gop-...

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chasing 9y ago
A lunatic with access to firearms?
- tnone 9y ago
  But one unhinged guy in a car is suddenly representative of the right wing? I say this being on the left. I'm utterly appalled at what goes on in social media. People who a few years ago were quiet exemplars of sanity are now calling for violence, witch hunts and pretending like the US is one step away from civil war. It's media that's doing this. A protest by one's own side is powerful, solemn and the height of democracy. If it's the other side, it's intimidating, primal and a rapid descent into tyranny. One rotten egg on your own side is just an unfortunate lunatic, on the other it's emblematic of the radicalization hidden just beneath the surface. The informational content has made way for a completely emotional, tribal way of looking at the world. It's just convenient narratives, with no one particularly interested in figuring out whether something is actually big, or just puffed up into the next big news cycle. News coverage now creates importance, instead of the other way around. The people who keep this going are the ones who benefit from eternal conflict, and it's not you and I. This time the antifa found casus belli in the death of a compatriot. Just the same, the right could've gotten unlucky (or lucky) and had one of their own die to a u-lock to the head at Berkeley. Fill in your own examples, if you can still remember them a few weeks later. Violence begets violence, especially if you broadcast it non stop for rageclicks and social validation points. It's not journalism anymore, it's just juvenile activism and pandering.
  - billions 9y ago
    We need to get over social news drama like teens learned to hide their provocative pics from Facebook.
dredmorbius 9y ago
Whataboutism and deflection with an attempt to distract, if you ask me.

KGIII 9y ago

No, they were the ones with bats, rebar, and other weapons. Before you try to assume my politics, I'm pretty far left.

jolux 9y ago
>Before you try to assume my politics, I'm pretty far left. Suuuure you are.
- KGIII 9y ago
  I hope that was in jest, otherwise you demonstrate why discourse has ceased being reasonable.
  - jolux 9y ago
    All I mean is that people who are entirely comfortable about where their politics are with regards to a given discourse rarely feel the need to reaffirm said politics in an abstract sense, i.e., "I'm on the far left too, but--" whatever.
    - KGIII 9y ago
      It seemed easier than dealing with the probable responses that my own experiences condition me for. Namely, if I point out a negative action, people have historically commented with false beliefs about my politics. It was meant to save time and add clarity. I know there are people on my side of the political spectrum who do things I don't agree with. I know that my favored politicians are less than ideal. I admit this. I'd have voted for Bernie in the general, had he been the candidate. At the same time, I watched the video where the young lady was killed. They had bats, rebar, and it looked like one had a chain. Life isn't a video game, they didn't just pick that stuff up off the ground in those numbers and with that level of readiness. I also know they weren't Trump supporters. No, they are on the left. They are on the same end of the political spectrum as I. But, the usual response I get (when pointing out flaws by those on my end of the spectrum, which happens with great frequency) is to all me everything from a Nazi to a Trump supporter. (I am not sure which one they consider worse.) So, I figured I'd save some time. It would appear that it didn't work to save one bit of time.

pharrington 9y ago

No, but always form the strongest version of your argument that you are capable of. The dude who shot up the congressional baseball game a couple months ago was a Bernie supporter.

chasing 9y ago
It wasn't really an argument. Most of a roundabout way of saying that the white suprematists out in force this weekend celebrating racism and genocide were far righters. And I think you'll find that Nazi and Confederate flag-waving is less popular on the left. In my humble experience. There are crazy people from across the political spectrum who commit violent crimes. Yes, many are liberal. Many are conservative. Trying to tally who did more is silly. But if we're against violent crime, maybe we should also have a conversation about gun control. Edit: You appear to have changed the phrasing of your comment. You originally asked if that was the strongest argument I could come up with.