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It's coming.. I fear this is the end of this terrible moment in our history. Something will happen, and then the mob, be it the right, or the left, but possibly

It's coming.. I fear this is the end of this terrible moment in our history. Something will happen, and then the mob, be it the right, or the left, but possibly both, will mobilize and people will begin killing one another. A true riot like we've never seen. I am afraid, but resolved that it will likely take death and destruction before society gets a collective slap of sense.

jacquesm 9y ago
I fear with you but hope that cooler heads will prevail before then. Way too much frustration has been building up it needs some kind of release but I'd rather not see war or civil war. Even a 'true riot' I'd rather avoid. The problem is that a 'true riot' could easily be the spark that provides the activation energy for a 'true civil war'. Most of these things are about activation levels being crossed and then there is really almost no way back.
- jamesmp98 9y ago
  I don't think a civil war is possible.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
    I think it would require the military to become divided. This seems unlikely.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      That depends on who heads up the military. And that could be a bit of a problem with the present day leader.
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lbotos 9y ago
made me think of Flash Mob Gone Wrong by Tom Scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyMdOT8YJgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyMdOT8YJgY
my_first_acct 9y ago
I think the mid 1960s to early 1970s were a scarier period in terms of civil unrest, in the US anyway.
bluejekyll 9y ago
I hope that the death and destruction that did happen, Heather Heyer and then 12 (edit: looks like that number is up to 34 hurt, and two officers in a helicopter accident) other individuals hurt, does serve as a slap in the face. This reaction of seeking the individuals out who took part, in whatever small way, is a direct response to that. It makes people feel good that they can serve a common good by seeking the individuals out online, but of course there are going to be people incorrectly identified. In fact, one of the things commonly stated about the rise of the National Socialists in Germany, is that not enough people stood up to stop it. This is tacit approval for some form of vigilantism. So what do people do? Wait for the authorities who are failing to act? Or act themselves? It's a hard decision. On the one hand it will cause escalation of the fight as both sides react in this way, on the other it's important that we as a society don't allow fridge elements to destroy our fundamental values.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  > In fact, one of the things commonly stated about the rise of the National Socialists in Germany, is that not enough people stood up to stop it. That's a good point, but then you have to be extra careful not to blackball the wrong people. Going about this half assed is a bigger problem than doing nothing at all.

jacquesm 9y ago

I fear with you but hope that cooler heads will prevail before then. Way too much frustration has been building up it needs some kind of release but I'd rather not see war or civil war. Even a 'true riot' I'd rather avoid. The problem is that a 'true riot' could easily be the spark that provides the activation energy for a 'true civil war'. Most of these things are about activation levels being crossed and then there is really almost no way back.

jamesmp98 9y ago
I don't think a civil war is possible.
- TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
  I think it would require the military to become divided. This seems unlikely.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    That depends on who heads up the military. And that could be a bit of a problem with the present day leader.

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lbotos 9y ago

made me think of Flash Mob Gone Wrong by Tom Scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyMdOT8YJgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyMdOT8YJgY

my_first_acct 9y ago

I think the mid 1960s to early 1970s were a scarier period in terms of civil unrest, in the US anyway.

bluejekyll 9y ago

I hope that the death and destruction that did happen, Heather Heyer and then 12 (edit: looks like that number is up to 34 hurt, and two officers in a helicopter accident) other individuals hurt, does serve as a slap in the face. This reaction of seeking the individuals out who took part, in whatever small way, is a direct response to that. It makes people feel good that they can serve a common good by seeking the individuals out online, but of course there are going to be people incorrectly identified. In fact, one of the things commonly stated about the rise of the National Socialists in Germany, is that not enough people stood up to stop it. This is tacit approval for some form of vigilantism. So what do people do? Wait for the authorities who are failing to act? Or act themselves? It's a hard decision. On the one hand it will cause escalation of the fight as both sides react in this way, on the other it's important that we as a society don't allow fridge elements to destroy our fundamental values.

jacquesm 9y ago
> In fact, one of the things commonly stated about the rise of the National Socialists in Germany, is that not enough people stood up to stop it. That's a good point, but then you have to be extra careful not to blackball the wrong people. Going about this half assed is a bigger problem than doing nothing at all.