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Bluetooth working great for Apple AirPods. I think Snapchat is having a software problem.

by acchow 9y ago

semi-extrinsic 9y ago
FWIW I recently bought a $30 waterproof bluetooth speaker that goes on my bike. Paired it once on first power up, it Just Works (tm) since.
- jjoonathan 9y ago
  I just bought $40 bluetooth earbuds that required RTFMing to pair, don't hold the pair between workouts, take a minute to perform the ritual, and use friction to anchor themselves to my ear so thy fall off the moment I start sweating. Oh, and they need to be recharged. I have similar stories for every single bluetooth device that I have ever tried, which amounts to probably a dozen peripherals and half that many hosts. I've had fleeting moments of "it's magic" to punctuate the sea of crap so I'm fully on board with the potential of the technology, but it has continued to mature at an obnoxiously slow rate.
  - schrodinger 9y ago
    Try AirPods. I've been every happy with them!
- acchow 9y ago
  Your bluetooth speaker setup works great for precisely your scenario - the speaker is paired with one only device. It gets wonky if that single speaker has paired with multiple devices before. For example in a home, where you've paired it with your laptop, phone, iPad, etc. Try it out. Audio will cut off sometimes suddenly when it decides to switch pairing partners as another paired device appears in range.
  - NKCSS 9y ago
    I have a Sony bluetooth headset and it's amazing. It was around €65, lasts 40 hours of use (so charge once a week- every 2-3 weeks depending on usage), pairs with 3 devices and does it very well. I often move to another floor while having them on (construction work) or go out to the shed while the iPhone is in the bedroom on a charger, and it still works 10 meters in the yard. Best thing I've ever purchased, so there are good Bluetooth solutions.
    - acchow 9y ago
      what do you mean by "pairs with 3 devices and does it very well" So I have an iPad, macbook, and iPhone in my room all turned on at the same time. All with bluetooth on. All have been paired with the speaker. I now turn on the bluetooth speaker. How does it decide which device to connect to? Amazingly, it is always the wrong one. Every single time.
    - NKCSS 9y ago
      If the device it was connected to last is available, it will reconnect to that. To connect to a different one, hold the button longer and press connect on the other device. I use it on my iPhone, Android tablet and Windows 10 PC
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jjoonathan 9y ago
I agree that it's a software problem, but most vendors aren't in apple's position of controlling every single link of the chain. I do think it'll get better over time. NFC/tap pairing will eventually replace Menu + Manual Madness, show-stopping bugs will get fixed, capability sets will stabilize, conventions will develop to smooth over variation in UI choices, "worse is better" decisions will be unwound, and eventually it'll be a smooth experience and people will wonder how they ever lived with wires. If my own experiences are typical of even a tiny minority of users, however, that day is still disappointingly far off.
- jorvi 9y ago
  Apple will probably do the Bluetooth equivalent to what they did with earphones: they switched the mic and ground wire, forcing earphone manufacturers to either support iOS or TRRS on the built-in remotes. I love my Macbook Pro and iPhone, but Apple can be a truly infuriating company.
  - Tanegashima 9y ago
    Are you suggesting that Apple is using Bluetooth out of spec? Also, that headphone thing? Apple uses the same pinout as Sony, HTC, Nokia, the main players in the phone business before Samsung.
- pdimitar 9y ago
  You must definitely add investor pressure in all of this, and if history is of any indication, that pressure can and will kill any creative efforts. It's all about being first to market, making a big buck and having a lucrative exit nowadays. Nobody is interested in the tech becoming more comfortable.
Rjevski 9y ago
I think the problem is that in this case Bluetooth is just not fast enough to transfer large amounts of video data. What they should do is use BT to negotiate details of an ad-hoc Wi-Fi network and use that larger pipe to send the actual data.
- acchow 9y ago
  Yup. This is how Wifi Direct and Apple's Airdrop work.
- omtinez 9y ago
  That is exactly how the Spectacles work. Bluetooth is only used for transfer as a fallback mechanism.
- lathiat 9y ago
  This random thing I found claims about 1-1.5MB/s possible at least using the multipeerconnectivity libraries. ~ 0.1MB/s for bluetooth-only. https://github.com/thaliproject/Thali_CordovaPlugin/issues/1562 https://github.com/thaliproject/Thali_CordovaPlugin/issues/1...
- cornstalks 9y ago
  You basically just described Bluetooth 3.0 + HS[1]. The Bluetooth connection is used to establish an 802.11 link, over which data is transferred. It's only (up to) 24 Mbit/s, so it's still slower than some (direct) Wi-Fi alternatives, but it's much faster than normal Bluetooth connections. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Bluetooth_3.0_.2B_HS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Bluetooth_3.0_.2B_HS
zild3d 9y ago
airpods aren't transmitting video, not a fair comparison at all.

Bluetooth working great for Apple AirPods. I think Snapchat is having a software problem.

by acchow 9y ago

Bluetooth working great for Apple AirPods. I think Snapchat is having a software problem.

FWIW I recently bought a $30 waterproof bluetooth speaker that goes on my bike. Paired it once on first power up, it Just Works (tm) since.

jjoonathan 9y ago
I just bought $40 bluetooth earbuds that required RTFMing to pair, don't hold the pair between workouts, take a minute to perform the ritual, and use friction to anchor themselves to my ear so thy fall off the moment I start sweating. Oh, and they need to be recharged. I have similar stories for every single bluetooth device that I have ever tried, which amounts to probably a dozen peripherals and half that many hosts. I've had fleeting moments of "it's magic" to punctuate the sea of crap so I'm fully on board with the potential of the technology, but it has continued to mature at an obnoxiously slow rate.
- schrodinger 9y ago
  Try AirPods. I've been every happy with them!
acchow 9y ago
Your bluetooth speaker setup works great for precisely your scenario - the speaker is paired with one only device. It gets wonky if that single speaker has paired with multiple devices before. For example in a home, where you've paired it with your laptop, phone, iPad, etc. Try it out. Audio will cut off sometimes suddenly when it decides to switch pairing partners as another paired device appears in range.
- NKCSS 9y ago
  I have a Sony bluetooth headset and it's amazing. It was around €65, lasts 40 hours of use (so charge once a week- every 2-3 weeks depending on usage), pairs with 3 devices and does it very well. I often move to another floor while having them on (construction work) or go out to the shed while the iPhone is in the bedroom on a charger, and it still works 10 meters in the yard. Best thing I've ever purchased, so there are good Bluetooth solutions.
  - acchow 9y ago
    what do you mean by "pairs with 3 devices and does it very well" So I have an iPad, macbook, and iPhone in my room all turned on at the same time. All with bluetooth on. All have been paired with the speaker. I now turn on the bluetooth speaker. How does it decide which device to connect to? Amazingly, it is always the wrong one. Every single time.
  - NKCSS 9y ago
    If the device it was connected to last is available, it will reconnect to that. To connect to a different one, hold the button longer and press connect on the other device. I use it on my iPhone, Android tablet and Windows 10 PC
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jjoonathan 9y ago

I agree that it's a software problem, but most vendors aren't in apple's position of controlling every single link of the chain. I do think it'll get better over time. NFC/tap pairing will eventually replace Menu + Manual Madness, show-stopping bugs will get fixed, capability sets will stabilize, conventions will develop to smooth over variation in UI choices, "worse is better" decisions will be unwound, and eventually it'll be a smooth experience and people will wonder how they ever lived with wires. If my own experiences are typical of even a tiny minority of users, however, that day is still disappointingly far off.

jorvi 9y ago
Apple will probably do the Bluetooth equivalent to what they did with earphones: they switched the mic and ground wire, forcing earphone manufacturers to either support iOS or TRRS on the built-in remotes. I love my Macbook Pro and iPhone, but Apple can be a truly infuriating company.
- Tanegashima 9y ago
  Are you suggesting that Apple is using Bluetooth out of spec? Also, that headphone thing? Apple uses the same pinout as Sony, HTC, Nokia, the main players in the phone business before Samsung.
pdimitar 9y ago
You must definitely add investor pressure in all of this, and if history is of any indication, that pressure can and will kill any creative efforts. It's all about being first to market, making a big buck and having a lucrative exit nowadays. Nobody is interested in the tech becoming more comfortable.

Rjevski 9y ago

I think the problem is that in this case Bluetooth is just not fast enough to transfer large amounts of video data. What they should do is use BT to negotiate details of an ad-hoc Wi-Fi network and use that larger pipe to send the actual data.

acchow 9y ago
Yup. This is how Wifi Direct and Apple's Airdrop work.
omtinez 9y ago
That is exactly how the Spectacles work. Bluetooth is only used for transfer as a fallback mechanism.
lathiat 9y ago
This random thing I found claims about 1-1.5MB/s possible at least using the multipeerconnectivity libraries. ~ 0.1MB/s for bluetooth-only. https://github.com/thaliproject/Thali_CordovaPlugin/issues/1562 https://github.com/thaliproject/Thali_CordovaPlugin/issues/1...
cornstalks 9y ago
You basically just described Bluetooth 3.0 + HS[1]. The Bluetooth connection is used to establish an 802.11 link, over which data is transferred. It's only (up to) 24 Mbit/s, so it's still slower than some (direct) Wi-Fi alternatives, but it's much faster than normal Bluetooth connections. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Bluetooth_3.0_.2B_HS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Bluetooth_3.0_.2B_HS

zild3d 9y ago

airpods aren't transmitting video, not a fair comparison at all.