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> If you can reasonably assess that your process is fair, I don't think anyone should care how the numbers bear out. Because it goes against the results they w

by lerpa 9y ago

> If you can reasonably assess that your process is fair, I don't think anyone should care how the numbers bear out. Because it goes against the results they wanted to arrive at.

mistermann 9y ago
Odd how that Idea never occurred to the person to whom you are replying. In comment after comment, the possibility that there is no bias is considered literally impossible. The blatant and unrecognized bias in this conversation is absolutely fascinating. (I also notice HN has introduced a throttle, presumably to reduce the volume of incorrect messages.)
- imron 9y ago
  HN has always had a throttle for comment threads that go more than a few deep. The deeper the thread goes, the longer the delay gets.
  - mistermann 9y ago
    From my observations (without access to the code one can only speculate), not in this case - depth is not the cause (nor is recent downvotes, or excessive volume). I've never before hit a limit of being able to participate in a back and forth debate at far higher volumes and depth than today, but now I would be completely unable to have a conversation. Something major has changed, I'd bet money it's a flag assigned to a user by a moderator. That said, it's not super hard core militant censorship, there's plenty of other people saying politically incorrect things in today's discussion as well, so my censorship may have been due to "not adding to the discussion in a meaningful way", rather than my particular point of view. Hopefully there's an appeal mechanism for when I decide to straighten up my act, I'm working on it. But as they say, freedom of speech does not require someone to provide you a stage to speak on, and private companies are free to censor whatever speech they see fit.
    - imron 9y ago
      > From my observations (without access to the code one can only speculate), not in this case - depth is not the cause It might be depth within a certain timeframe then. I've noticed similar delays previously in non-controversial topics when trying to reply to non-controversial comments. I don't think there's anything sinister going on here, there's just a mechanism in the comments to prevent people from speaking past each other in quick succession. Edit: For reference, this comment took 9 minutes before a reply link appeared, and it is the 9th child of a top-level comment. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. Try replying to this comment and timing how long it takes before a reply link appears - my guess is 10 minutes.
      - mistermann 9y ago
        It was waaaaay longer than that. An alternative explanation is the universe was punishing me for being a dick, which wouldn't be that unrighteous.

by lerpa 9y ago

> If you can reasonably assess that your process is fair, I don't think anyone should care how the numbers bear out. Because it goes against the results they wanted to arrive at.

mistermann 9y ago

Odd how that Idea never occurred to the person to whom you are replying. In comment after comment, the possibility that there is no bias is considered literally impossible. The blatant and unrecognized bias in this conversation is absolutely fascinating. (I also notice HN has introduced a throttle, presumably to reduce the volume of incorrect messages.)

imron 9y ago
HN has always had a throttle for comment threads that go more than a few deep. The deeper the thread goes, the longer the delay gets.
- mistermann 9y ago
  From my observations (without access to the code one can only speculate), not in this case - depth is not the cause (nor is recent downvotes, or excessive volume). I've never before hit a limit of being able to participate in a back and forth debate at far higher volumes and depth than today, but now I would be completely unable to have a conversation. Something major has changed, I'd bet money it's a flag assigned to a user by a moderator. That said, it's not super hard core militant censorship, there's plenty of other people saying politically incorrect things in today's discussion as well, so my censorship may have been due to "not adding to the discussion in a meaningful way", rather than my particular point of view. Hopefully there's an appeal mechanism for when I decide to straighten up my act, I'm working on it. But as they say, freedom of speech does not require someone to provide you a stage to speak on, and private companies are free to censor whatever speech they see fit.
  - imron 9y ago
    > From my observations (without access to the code one can only speculate), not in this case - depth is not the cause It might be depth within a certain timeframe then. I've noticed similar delays previously in non-controversial topics when trying to reply to non-controversial comments. I don't think there's anything sinister going on here, there's just a mechanism in the comments to prevent people from speaking past each other in quick succession. Edit: For reference, this comment took 9 minutes before a reply link appeared, and it is the 9th child of a top-level comment. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. Try replying to this comment and timing how long it takes before a reply link appears - my guess is 10 minutes.
    - mistermann 9y ago
      It was waaaaay longer than that. An alternative explanation is the universe was punishing me for being a dick, which wouldn't be that unrighteous.