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I can't say I disagree with him on the dislike for OO. However if you are going to do OO in perl Moose is the way to do it.

by zaphar 16y ago

someone_here 16y ago
Moose is nice, but making your own objects can be pretty cool too. Try blessing a function ;)
mhd 16y ago
If you agree with the design decisions. It's rather expressive, but not exactly a minimalistic approach to OO. Did they ever improve the rather steep performance penalty? (esp. startup)
- jrockway 16y ago
  Runtime is fast, startup is not as fast. I am not sure why anyone cares about startup time. I start my apps about once a month. 1 second instead of .1 second doesn't really matter. It's like saying, "C++ has an unacceptable performance penalty" because you have to compile your code before you use it. Yeah, you do. You can pay a million times at runtime or you can pay once at compile time. For desktop apps, start them when you log in and connect to them via App::Persistent.
  - __david__ 16y ago
    It's certainly worth thinking about if the app is a command line app. No one wants "ls" to have a 5 second startup time.
    - jrockway 16y ago
      I agree. Please contribute your fix to Moose.
      - natep 16y ago
        I believe he was responding to your "I am not sure why anyone cares about startup time." While you may have been referring specifically to Moose, it's possible to interpret that as a blanket statement for all programs and languages, even in context.
  - mhd 16y ago
    Especially when you're learning Moose, writing some more involved Unix scripts would be an option. It's not that bad for those circumstances, though. Personally, I just have problems wrapping my Perl style around more involved types of OO, so for Perl I'm happy enough with normal packages and procedural programming. And as a side note, the compilation times for C++ made a lot of people switch to another language, although Moose is about a few orders of magnitude away from those kinds of problems.
sdesol 16y ago
I don't think he ever said he disliked OO. The comment after the reddit link are my feelings on OO.

I can't say I disagree with him on the dislike for OO. However if you are going to do OO in perl Moose is the way to do it.

by zaphar 16y ago

I can't say I disagree with him on the dislike for OO. However if you are going to do OO in perl Moose is the way to do it.

someone_here 16y ago

Moose is nice, but making your own objects can be pretty cool too. Try blessing a function ;)

mhd 16y ago

If you agree with the design decisions. It's rather expressive, but not exactly a minimalistic approach to OO. Did they ever improve the rather steep performance penalty? (esp. startup)

jrockway 16y ago
Runtime is fast, startup is not as fast. I am not sure why anyone cares about startup time. I start my apps about once a month. 1 second instead of .1 second doesn't really matter. It's like saying, "C++ has an unacceptable performance penalty" because you have to compile your code before you use it. Yeah, you do. You can pay a million times at runtime or you can pay once at compile time. For desktop apps, start them when you log in and connect to them via App::Persistent.
- __david__ 16y ago
  It's certainly worth thinking about if the app is a command line app. No one wants "ls" to have a 5 second startup time.
  - jrockway 16y ago
    I agree. Please contribute your fix to Moose.
    - natep 16y ago
      I believe he was responding to your "I am not sure why anyone cares about startup time." While you may have been referring specifically to Moose, it's possible to interpret that as a blanket statement for all programs and languages, even in context.
- mhd 16y ago
  Especially when you're learning Moose, writing some more involved Unix scripts would be an option. It's not that bad for those circumstances, though. Personally, I just have problems wrapping my Perl style around more involved types of OO, so for Perl I'm happy enough with normal packages and procedural programming. And as a side note, the compilation times for C++ made a lot of people switch to another language, although Moose is about a few orders of magnitude away from those kinds of problems.

sdesol 16y ago

I don't think he ever said he disliked OO. The comment after the reddit link are my feelings on OO.