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Tbh, I doubt Google knows they're the Stormers' registrar yet; you can transfer domains automatically. CloudFlare doesn't provide hosting, it's a reverse proxy

Tbh, I doubt Google knows they're the Stormers' registrar yet; you can transfer domains automatically. CloudFlare doesn't provide hosting, it's a reverse proxy. But, if you believe http://www.crimeflare.com/cfs.html http://www.crimeflare.com/cfs.html, the actual web server sitting behind dailystormer.com is hosted by online.net, of France.

dfps 9y ago
Right. I use CF. I just meant that there has been criticism aimed at CF for 'protecting' (providing service to) unpopular speech (even harmful stuff like IS), and I think I read they were unwilling to refuse service to anybody. France, hey? I've actually heard France is competitive with US when it comes to internet and free speech. Do you think that's true? I wonder which country most protects speech on the internet?
- betafive 9y ago
  It is illegal to promote ethnic hatred or deny the Holocaust in France, so...
  - dfps 9y ago
    Is there any country that protects all speech that you know of? (Related to the law you mentioned, in Germany they also have laws that are reactions to WWII, and they arrested some Chinese tourists for making Nazi salutes for tourist photos outside a government building last week.)
    - betafive 9y ago
      Protecting speech is often in tension with other individual liberties that are supposed to be protected, and the purpose of government is to arbitrate those disputes. I don't think there are any that grant unfettered protection to speech-- a government that permitted advocation of treason, for instance, probably wouldn't last very long.
      - dfps 9y ago
        It is definitely possible to have complete protection of speech. It's a choice, and the repercussions of it would not involve great harm, although since the 1950s we seem to be getting closer (and sometimes further). Treason is only possible if a country is at war (ie has an "enemy"). The speech would be protected as it is now (that wouldn't be the crime they break), but they could be found guilty of committing treason by the same (speech in this case) act.
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jlgaddis 9y ago
It seems that entry may be out-of-date (or else traffic to {80,443}/TCP from not-Cloudflare sources is being filtered).

dfps 9y ago

Right. I use CF. I just meant that there has been criticism aimed at CF for 'protecting' (providing service to) unpopular speech (even harmful stuff like IS), and I think I read they were unwilling to refuse service to anybody. France, hey? I've actually heard France is competitive with US when it comes to internet and free speech. Do you think that's true? I wonder which country most protects speech on the internet?

betafive 9y ago
It is illegal to promote ethnic hatred or deny the Holocaust in France, so...
- dfps 9y ago
  Is there any country that protects all speech that you know of? (Related to the law you mentioned, in Germany they also have laws that are reactions to WWII, and they arrested some Chinese tourists for making Nazi salutes for tourist photos outside a government building last week.)
  - betafive 9y ago
    Protecting speech is often in tension with other individual liberties that are supposed to be protected, and the purpose of government is to arbitrate those disputes. I don't think there are any that grant unfettered protection to speech-- a government that permitted advocation of treason, for instance, probably wouldn't last very long.
    - dfps 9y ago
      It is definitely possible to have complete protection of speech. It's a choice, and the repercussions of it would not involve great harm, although since the 1950s we seem to be getting closer (and sometimes further). Treason is only possible if a country is at war (ie has an "enemy"). The speech would be protected as it is now (that wouldn't be the crime they break), but they could be found guilty of committing treason by the same (speech in this case) act.

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jlgaddis 9y ago

It seems that entry may be out-of-date (or else traffic to {80,443}/TCP from not-Cloudflare sources is being filtered).