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OK but now you're targeting the provider. Why should ChatPro use XMPP? Whisper Systems wanted to get (their clever version of) strong end to end encryption in
by blfr 9y ago
OK but now you're targeting the provider. Why should ChatPro use XMPP?
Whisper Systems wanted to get (their clever version of) strong end to end encryption in the hands of regulars users so they created Signal. Moxie has blog posts[1] and long discussions why XMPP was unsuitable in which he answers your idea: if vast majority of users will coalesce around ChatPro anyway, why not get the benefits of a centralized communicator?
Others want to silo their users, or offer this and that fancy feature. Why would they use XMPP?
And what is the benefit of using XMPP if it's really just ChatPro with a mostly unused s2s federation port open on their server somewhere?
[1] https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/ https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
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- qznc 9y agoWe need a GitLab for XMPP.
- sytse 9y agoGitLab is looking at Matrix https://matrix.org/ https://matrix.org/
- deleted 9y ago[deleted]
- rakoo 9y agoHipchat is all xmpp. We didn't fail, it's just not advertized enough!
- ge0rg 9y agoIt looks like in some regions HipChat is a thing, while in others people don't even know what it is. I haven't seen it yet in my professional practice in Germany, whereas Lync (Skype 4 business) is almost everywhere...