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> women and men statistically have different interests, behaviors, and performance in different fields Fair enough. That's a valid theory to entertain, and I'm

> women and men statistically have different interests, behaviors, and performance in different fields Fair enough. That's a valid theory to entertain, and I'm sure there's a growing body of science supporting both sides of the debate. Now, the question is this: if that was the case, how do we determine the extent to which the biological factors affect career selection, when we live in a society that encourages gender stereotypes? If we don't know the extent, how can we jump to conclusions about outreach generating "a discriminatory framework"? That, at the end of the day, is my main complaint about Damore's memo. It's just a weak attempt at generating outrage. > To me, this rise of anti-intellectualism in the west is rather scary. Anti-intellectualism has many faces. The fact that we are discussing this in an open forum, and that we could probably sit on a coffee shop and have a civilized discussion about it is proof that the whole narrative about "liberal values = cultural Marxism" is at least partially bogus. Meanwhile, the same people who complained about stifling free speech at Google are threatening to leak the names of liberal Googlers to alt-right websites. Where's the outrage about that?

mistermann 9y ago
> That's a valid theory to entertain There is extensive study on this topic going back several decades, if you're interested in the topic, there's not shortage of material. There's also plentiful anecdotal material where college educated forward thinking mothers very quickly learned the reality of nature vs nature after bearing children of different genders. > Meanwhile, the same people who complained about stifling free speech at Google are threatening to leak the names of liberal Googlers to alt-right websites. Where's the outrage about that? I'd have absolutely no problem condemning that whatsoever. Imagining your philosophical "opponents" as some sort of one dimensional monsters isn't doing yourself or your movement any favors.
- dguaraglia 9y ago
  > Imagining your philosophical "opponents" as some sort of one dimensional monsters isn't doing yourself or your movement any favors. That would have been a valid claim until the unfortunate incidents in Charlottesville (and Bloomington before that, and Seattle before that...) People threatening to expose liberal Googlers to the same kind of ecochamber that celebrates someone driving a car into a crowd is beyond the pale. Anyone who takes so lightly potentially having blood in their hands is a monster. This is my last comment regarding this topic.
  - mistermann 9y ago
    > Anyone who takes so lightly potentially having blood in their hands is a monster. That person being me presumably. Guilty until proven innocent, a recurring theme lately. > This is my last comment regarding this topic. What a loss. EDIT: Seems I'm not being allowed to reply anymore (gee, where do conspiracy theories about censorship of conservative speech come from eh?), so I guess I'll have to reply here... > No, I was talking about the Googlers who were threatening to leak names to alt-right websites. You wanted the people that are threatening to leak names to be outraged at themselves? I think I'm losing track of all the parties involved in this vast criminal conspiracy. Anyways, besides this entire topic being utterly pointless, if the right to speak freely is granted to only one side, I guess I should take the hint and adapt to our new world by keeping my mouth shut.
    - dguaraglia 9y ago
      > That person being me presumably No, I was talking about the Googlers who were threatening to leak names to alt-right websites.

mistermann 9y ago

> That's a valid theory to entertain There is extensive study on this topic going back several decades, if you're interested in the topic, there's not shortage of material. There's also plentiful anecdotal material where college educated forward thinking mothers very quickly learned the reality of nature vs nature after bearing children of different genders. > Meanwhile, the same people who complained about stifling free speech at Google are threatening to leak the names of liberal Googlers to alt-right websites. Where's the outrage about that? I'd have absolutely no problem condemning that whatsoever. Imagining your philosophical "opponents" as some sort of one dimensional monsters isn't doing yourself or your movement any favors.

dguaraglia 9y ago
> Imagining your philosophical "opponents" as some sort of one dimensional monsters isn't doing yourself or your movement any favors. That would have been a valid claim until the unfortunate incidents in Charlottesville (and Bloomington before that, and Seattle before that...) People threatening to expose liberal Googlers to the same kind of ecochamber that celebrates someone driving a car into a crowd is beyond the pale. Anyone who takes so lightly potentially having blood in their hands is a monster. This is my last comment regarding this topic.
- mistermann 9y ago
  > Anyone who takes so lightly potentially having blood in their hands is a monster. That person being me presumably. Guilty until proven innocent, a recurring theme lately. > This is my last comment regarding this topic. What a loss. EDIT: Seems I'm not being allowed to reply anymore (gee, where do conspiracy theories about censorship of conservative speech come from eh?), so I guess I'll have to reply here... > No, I was talking about the Googlers who were threatening to leak names to alt-right websites. You wanted the people that are threatening to leak names to be outraged at themselves? I think I'm losing track of all the parties involved in this vast criminal conspiracy. Anyways, besides this entire topic being utterly pointless, if the right to speak freely is granted to only one side, I guess I should take the hint and adapt to our new world by keeping my mouth shut.
  - dguaraglia 9y ago
    > That person being me presumably No, I was talking about the Googlers who were threatening to leak names to alt-right websites.