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There is a specification, an implementation, and then a webapp framework to develop on it, similar to most languages out there. Python specs/CPython/Django Ru

by nolok 9y ago

There is a specification, an implementation, and then a webapp framework to develop on it, similar to most languages out there. Python specs/CPython/Django Ruby specs/JRuby/Ruby on Rails PHP specs/HHVM/Symfony Java specs/Java Virtual Machine/Java Server Pages .Net Standard/.Net Core/ASP.Net Core

tonyedgecombe 9y ago
.Net standard isn't really the same as Ruby or Python specs, not that it isn't welcome but you can't just brush the complexity under the carpet like that. Also, you have the version number confusion, for example .Net Core 2.0 vs .Net 2.0, one was released 12 years ago, the other in a month. It's all as clear as mud.
- nolok 9y ago
  > .Net standard isn't really the same as Ruby or Python specs, not that it isn't welcome but you can't just brush the complexity under the carpet like that. That's exactly what it is, actually. It has several versions, so does a lot of language like Java or C++. If it has more complexity than that, I would welcome you to give concrete exemple of what it contains that isn't in other language's specs. > Also, you have the version number confusion, for example .Net Core 2.0 vs .Net 2.0, one was released 12 years ago, the other in a month. It's all as clear as mud. While I agree it may not be clear on the first look, anyone investing more than 2 minutes in .Net understands the difference and is never confused again. ".Net" (this name alone) is the legacy name of what is now called the ".Net Framework", the original and still current implementation of the plateform aimed to run on windows only; what you refer to ".Net 2.0" is ".Net Framework 2.0", and is now always referenced by that name. ".Net Core" is another implementation, one that is aimed at being portable and running on other OSes too. The table on .Net Standard page makes this very clear, you can see the revisions of the standard on the X axis, and all the implementation on the Y axis, .Net Framework and .Net Core being two different implementation: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/standard/net-standard https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/standard/net-standar... For reference, here is the very same kind of grid for another language (here C++): http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/compiler_support http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/compiler_support Again, I am not saying the name are very well chosen or super clear to someone who glances at it once every 5 years, but anyone actually interested in .Net needs about 3 minutes to clear that up and never have to ask any question about that again.
  - ryandvm 9y ago
    Unfortunately, glancing at .NET once every 5 years is what about 90% of the devs around here do (including me). Hence the perennial "WTF is up with the name/version?" sub-thread...
    - Boothroid 9y ago
      .NET is what I know best, but few on here seem to use it/like it. I'm keen to beef up my dev skills. Is .NET worth sticking with?
      - JamesBarney 9y ago
        Depends what you want to do. If you wanna work for start ups, or amagoobooksoft(with the exception of Microsoft) it's not a great choice. If you want a good high paying career outside of Seattle/SV then it's a great choice.
        Boothroid 9y ago
        I'm in the UK so smaller pool unfortunately. And salaries certainly aren't as good as the US! Seems to be a fair amount of C# in city of London/finance etc and fair contracting rates there though.
      - pjmlp 9y ago
        I also like it a lot, since the alpha version made available to selected MCPs. In what concerns enterprise world, Java and .NET are here to stay. If you have any doubts regarding .NET, just check BUILD 2017 talks and all Microsoft blogs regarding UWP, .NET is used everywhere, even if the lower level layers are a mix of C and C++. Even the Windows UI blog is using only C# for all cool UI effects being introduced with Fluent Design.
      - s_kilk 9y ago
        It really depends on the market. I got out of .Net/MS stuff because that kind of work was bottom-of-the-barrel compared to what I could get by re-investing in my Linux/OSS skills. In some other places .Net has all the best paying jobs.
- ozim 9y ago
  I get impression that people who bash this new .Net stuff and naming are really theoretical in their approach. If you are actually doing anything with .Net there is no way you can confuse .Net 2.0 with .Net Core 2.0.
  - nolok 9y ago
    Agreed 100%, and I would add that the threshold for "doing anything with .Net" to reach that proficiency is spending just a few minutes on it.
  - addicted 9y ago
    What is .Net 2.0? Or do you mean .Net Framework 2.0?
    - systems 9y ago
      the stable release of the .Net Framework is not 4.7 the .Net Framework 2.0 release date was 2005-11-07 i guess he was being sarcastic ... maybe
  - throwawayacc321 9y ago
    heh. good on Satya Nadella. stopped using ms stuff more than a decade ago when we went linux for all production machines. from mouth to desktop he has started making microsoft and the good work they do relevent again. - hadnt realised they'd actually released so much linux compatible stuff.
    - nolok 9y ago
      Throw Visual Studio Code in and you can both develop and deploy/run your entire web app on linux using Microsoft tools now, tools that are actually good and pleasant to use. Predict that fifteen years ago on slashdot and you would probably be "-42 ridiculous" back then.
  - tonyedgecombe 9y ago
    I get the impression that some people have no empathy for new users.

by nolok 9y ago

tonyedgecombe 9y ago

.Net standard isn't really the same as Ruby or Python specs, not that it isn't welcome but you can't just brush the complexity under the carpet like that. Also, you have the version number confusion, for example .Net Core 2.0 vs .Net 2.0, one was released 12 years ago, the other in a month. It's all as clear as mud.

nolok 9y ago
> .Net standard isn't really the same as Ruby or Python specs, not that it isn't welcome but you can't just brush the complexity under the carpet like that. That's exactly what it is, actually. It has several versions, so does a lot of language like Java or C++. If it has more complexity than that, I would welcome you to give concrete exemple of what it contains that isn't in other language's specs. > Also, you have the version number confusion, for example .Net Core 2.0 vs .Net 2.0, one was released 12 years ago, the other in a month. It's all as clear as mud. While I agree it may not be clear on the first look, anyone investing more than 2 minutes in .Net understands the difference and is never confused again. ".Net" (this name alone) is the legacy name of what is now called the ".Net Framework", the original and still current implementation of the plateform aimed to run on windows only; what you refer to ".Net 2.0" is ".Net Framework 2.0", and is now always referenced by that name. ".Net Core" is another implementation, one that is aimed at being portable and running on other OSes too. The table on .Net Standard page makes this very clear, you can see the revisions of the standard on the X axis, and all the implementation on the Y axis, .Net Framework and .Net Core being two different implementation: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/standard/net-standard https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/standard/net-standar... For reference, here is the very same kind of grid for another language (here C++): http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/compiler_support http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/compiler_support Again, I am not saying the name are very well chosen or super clear to someone who glances at it once every 5 years, but anyone actually interested in .Net needs about 3 minutes to clear that up and never have to ask any question about that again.
- ryandvm 9y ago
  Unfortunately, glancing at .NET once every 5 years is what about 90% of the devs around here do (including me). Hence the perennial "WTF is up with the name/version?" sub-thread...
  - Boothroid 9y ago
    .NET is what I know best, but few on here seem to use it/like it. I'm keen to beef up my dev skills. Is .NET worth sticking with?
    - JamesBarney 9y ago
      Depends what you want to do. If you wanna work for start ups, or amagoobooksoft(with the exception of Microsoft) it's not a great choice. If you want a good high paying career outside of Seattle/SV then it's a great choice.
      - Boothroid 9y ago
        I'm in the UK so smaller pool unfortunately. And salaries certainly aren't as good as the US! Seems to be a fair amount of C# in city of London/finance etc and fair contracting rates there though.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      I also like it a lot, since the alpha version made available to selected MCPs. In what concerns enterprise world, Java and .NET are here to stay. If you have any doubts regarding .NET, just check BUILD 2017 talks and all Microsoft blogs regarding UWP, .NET is used everywhere, even if the lower level layers are a mix of C and C++. Even the Windows UI blog is using only C# for all cool UI effects being introduced with Fluent Design.
    - s_kilk 9y ago
      It really depends on the market. I got out of .Net/MS stuff because that kind of work was bottom-of-the-barrel compared to what I could get by re-investing in my Linux/OSS skills. In some other places .Net has all the best paying jobs.
ozim 9y ago
I get impression that people who bash this new .Net stuff and naming are really theoretical in their approach. If you are actually doing anything with .Net there is no way you can confuse .Net 2.0 with .Net Core 2.0.
- nolok 9y ago
  Agreed 100%, and I would add that the threshold for "doing anything with .Net" to reach that proficiency is spending just a few minutes on it.
- addicted 9y ago
  What is .Net 2.0? Or do you mean .Net Framework 2.0?
  - systems 9y ago
    the stable release of the .Net Framework is not 4.7 the .Net Framework 2.0 release date was 2005-11-07 i guess he was being sarcastic ... maybe
- throwawayacc321 9y ago
  heh. good on Satya Nadella. stopped using ms stuff more than a decade ago when we went linux for all production machines. from mouth to desktop he has started making microsoft and the good work they do relevent again. - hadnt realised they'd actually released so much linux compatible stuff.
  - nolok 9y ago
    Throw Visual Studio Code in and you can both develop and deploy/run your entire web app on linux using Microsoft tools now, tools that are actually good and pleasant to use. Predict that fifteen years ago on slashdot and you would probably be "-42 ridiculous" back then.
- tonyedgecombe 9y ago
  I get the impression that some people have no empathy for new users.