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Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan. We have to educated ourself to engage in discussion, i think when you look i

Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan. We have to educated ourself to engage in discussion, i think when you look in internet bubbles/hugboxes. You don't talk to those people, you ignore or ban them like google did with 8chan or you can ridicule them calling them nazi or virgins/neckbeards. People won't allow any discussion and that will fuel rage, i mean real rage and can get real serious, because they felt like other people (normies) are enemy, that they can't even talk and they are censored by blant corporations using "hate speech" I know another newly created account commenting.

stinos 9y ago
Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan well sure, but doesn't freedom also mean you're allowed to select whether or not you want to host their websites?
- iknow44 9y ago
  sure, they can select, that's part of freedom. But if you are saying like google, duckduckgo, wikipedia, other "freedom sites" that you promote freedoom and free speech and then you just ban unpopular or sometimes wrong or nazi views, cutting the discussion and sometimes the chance to explain to other site your views/convince then you don't promote freedoom or free speech.
- falcolas 9y ago
  The entire internet infrastructure is controlled by private companies. Many of which are incorporated in the US. If you hold to the belief that internet infrastructure companies should be free to censor anything and everything they want to, there is no such thing as free speech on the internet. That future is not one I personally subscribe to; I believe in the basic human right to express one self, and as ubiquitous as the internet is as a means of communication, that means people must be free to express themselves on the internet.
  - stinos 9y ago
    that means people must be free to express themselves on the internet If that expression of freedom happens to be not wanting to let certain others express their freedom via your infrastructure then there's a problem. Because there's 2 parties, each having the freedom to express themselves. By your saying A should let B express themselves, but that takes away freedom from A. Likewise I'm advocating that A should have the freedom to not let B express themselves even though, yes, that takes away freedom from B. So this is a tough one, because none of both solutions lets each party have full freedom. In such cases you need to look further. What I see here, is that B spreads hatred and as such, in my opinion, does way more damage to certain groups and humankind in general if you will than the damage done by A. So, since there must be a choice, I'd rather have some freedom taken away from B here.
RandVal30142 9y ago
Fuck white nationalists and those that harbor them. They love violence[1], they love terrorists[2]. They think they are at literal war with those dissenting against their hate. This is the crowd that has spent the last few years cheering chemical weapons use against children, while simultaneously denying their use calling the children dolls. Then further justifying the attacks against hospitals that treated the victims while denying the hospitals were attacked. That car ramming murderer was one of those Assad/Trump/Putin cultist assholes. Fuck him and fuck them. Fuck their love for terrorism, fuck anyone that wants to give them a podium to speak from. Companies are wise to keep distance from this type of stuff because it is incredibly inflammatory and distracts from being a for-profit concern. edit: Want to see how far down the rabbit hole this Assad/white nationalist fanboy hole goes? Look no further than congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard. Tulsi's trip to Syria was organized by SSNP[3] a political & militant party with a long anti-Semitic history. Their emblem is based off the swastika. Assad putting SSNP in legal status some years ago helped to place him, an Arab, in favor with white nationalists/right wingers[4]. During the civil war there has been a steady stream of international Nazi figures visiting Syria[5]. Tulsi somehow ended up making pilgrimage with this lot just before another regime chemical weapons attack that again slaughtered civilians. [1] http://archive.is/ZBOOa http://archive.is/ZBOOa [2] http://archive.is/Xb0fk http://archive.is/Xb0fk [3] http://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbards-fascist-escorts-to-syria http://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbards-fascist-escorts-... [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/13/syrias-assad-has-become-an-unexpected-icon-of-the-far-right-in-america/?utm_term=.0b3e3cba6adb https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/13... [5] http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/German-neo-Nazi-party-builds-alliance-with-Assad-and-Hezbollah-490847 http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/German-neo-Nazi-party-builds-a...
perpetualcrayon 9y ago
What philosophical debate do you think you're going to have with a person who titles a blog post: Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut What that guy needs is not acceptance. He needs a psychiatrist.
- falcolas 9y ago
  Allowing and encouraging free speech does not imply agreement with the points of view being presented.

stinos 9y ago

Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan well sure, but doesn't freedom also mean you're allowed to select whether or not you want to host their websites?

iknow44 9y ago
sure, they can select, that's part of freedom. But if you are saying like google, duckduckgo, wikipedia, other "freedom sites" that you promote freedoom and free speech and then you just ban unpopular or sometimes wrong or nazi views, cutting the discussion and sometimes the chance to explain to other site your views/convince then you don't promote freedoom or free speech.
falcolas 9y ago
The entire internet infrastructure is controlled by private companies. Many of which are incorporated in the US. If you hold to the belief that internet infrastructure companies should be free to censor anything and everything they want to, there is no such thing as free speech on the internet. That future is not one I personally subscribe to; I believe in the basic human right to express one self, and as ubiquitous as the internet is as a means of communication, that means people must be free to express themselves on the internet.
- stinos 9y ago
  that means people must be free to express themselves on the internet If that expression of freedom happens to be not wanting to let certain others express their freedom via your infrastructure then there's a problem. Because there's 2 parties, each having the freedom to express themselves. By your saying A should let B express themselves, but that takes away freedom from A. Likewise I'm advocating that A should have the freedom to not let B express themselves even though, yes, that takes away freedom from B. So this is a tough one, because none of both solutions lets each party have full freedom. In such cases you need to look further. What I see here, is that B spreads hatred and as such, in my opinion, does way more damage to certain groups and humankind in general if you will than the damage done by A. So, since there must be a choice, I'd rather have some freedom taken away from B here.

RandVal30142 9y ago

Fuck white nationalists and those that harbor them. They love violence[1], they love terrorists[2]. They think they are at literal war with those dissenting against their hate. This is the crowd that has spent the last few years cheering chemical weapons use against children, while simultaneously denying their use calling the children dolls. Then further justifying the attacks against hospitals that treated the victims while denying the hospitals were attacked. That car ramming murderer was one of those Assad/Trump/Putin cultist assholes. Fuck him and fuck them. Fuck their love for terrorism, fuck anyone that wants to give them a podium to speak from. Companies are wise to keep distance from this type of stuff because it is incredibly inflammatory and distracts from being a for-profit concern. edit: Want to see how far down the rabbit hole this Assad/white nationalist fanboy hole goes? Look no further than congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard. Tulsi's trip to Syria was organized by SSNP[3] a political & militant party with a long anti-Semitic history. Their emblem is based off the swastika. Assad putting SSNP in legal status some years ago helped to place him, an Arab, in favor with white nationalists/right wingers[4]. During the civil war there has been a steady stream of international Nazi figures visiting Syria[5]. Tulsi somehow ended up making pilgrimage with this lot just before another regime chemical weapons attack that again slaughtered civilians. [1] http://archive.is/ZBOOa http://archive.is/ZBOOa [2] http://archive.is/Xb0fk http://archive.is/Xb0fk [3] http://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbards-fascist-escorts-to-syria http://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbards-fascist-escorts-... [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/13/syrias-assad-has-become-an-unexpected-icon-of-the-far-right-in-america/?utm_term=.0b3e3cba6adb https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/13... [5] http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/German-neo-Nazi-party-builds-alliance-with-Assad-and-Hezbollah-490847 http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/German-neo-Nazi-party-builds-a...

perpetualcrayon 9y ago

What philosophical debate do you think you're going to have with a person who titles a blog post: Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut What that guy needs is not acceptance. He needs a psychiatrist.

falcolas 9y ago
Allowing and encouraging free speech does not imply agreement with the points of view being presented.