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Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

39 points by valentinebm 9y ago

int_19h 9y ago
This appears to be an attempt by the site admins to troll.
- nefitty 9y ago
  That's the general consensus in their own community. The takeover post says something about "defending the Jewish people", which is a particularly unusual way for Anonymous to describe their actions, and is more in line with alt-right vocabulary.
django-boy 9y ago
I read that article about the woman that was killed, what the actual fuck.
- zimpenfish 9y ago
  I only saw the headline but yeah, that was enough. Although from other Daily Stormer content I have seen, that's pretty much par for the course.
- throwaway290302 9y ago
  Here's the archived article (titled "Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut") for reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20170813181100/https://www.dailystormer.com/heather-heyer-woman-killed-in-road-rage-incident-was-a-fat-childless-32-year-old-slut/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170813181100/https://www.daily...
- kuschku 9y ago
  Honestly, it's not surprising. /r/the_donald, 4chan's /pol/ etc all had far worse responses to this situation. The article from the daily stormer, as horrible as it is, is ithe least offensive right-wing response to this that I've read yet. Everything else went even further. Now the big question is, why does reddit, a SV company, still support these groups on their site, and why did these groups form in first place.
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    > Now the big question is, why does reddit, a SV company, still support these groups on their site I'm assuming you want a more nuanced answer than "because SV is libertarian white dude central"? > why did these groups form in first place. Oh, that's easy - because the US has been a racist country for decades and no-one has had the balls to stamp it out.
    - kuschku 9y ago
      > Oh, that's easy - because the US has been a racist country for decades and no-one has had the balls to stamp it out. That explains why they exist, but not why new groups form today still.
      - zimpenfish 9y ago
        Well, they're not really new groups - militia and the klan have been around for decades. They just like giving themselves new names because, like all angry idiots, they start infighting and splintering from each other. Although, yes, the GOP have been enabling and emboldening them for the last (at least 5 but really many more) years - now they have a whole bunch of people who support them in the WH that are dismantling anti-WS task forces etc.
        int_19h 9y ago
        Most of the ones that participated in the march in Charlottesville were genuine new groups: Identity Evropa, Vanguard America, Traditionalist Worker Party etc. And most of their membership is not a split from KKK etc. It's new people, often with very different backgrounds age- and education-wise. And one distinguishing thing about them is that they put a lot more emphasis on politics and outreach compared to KKK, and they openly reference fascist and Nazi ideas - which is to say, they don't just talk about white supremacy, but they talk about fascist ideals for governance etc. Make no mistake, this is a new wave of political right-wing authoritarianism in US, not the same old.
iknow44 9y ago
Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan. We have to educated ourself to engage in discussion, i think when you look in internet bubbles/hugboxes. You don't talk to those people, you ignore or ban them like google did with 8chan or you can ridicule them calling them nazi or virgins/neckbeards. People won't allow any discussion and that will fuel rage, i mean real rage and can get real serious, because they felt like other people (normies) are enemy, that they can't even talk and they are censored by blant corporations using "hate speech" I know another newly created account commenting.
- stinos 9y ago
  Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan well sure, but doesn't freedom also mean you're allowed to select whether or not you want to host their websites?
  - iknow44 9y ago
    sure, they can select, that's part of freedom. But if you are saying like google, duckduckgo, wikipedia, other "freedom sites" that you promote freedoom and free speech and then you just ban unpopular or sometimes wrong or nazi views, cutting the discussion and sometimes the chance to explain to other site your views/convince then you don't promote freedoom or free speech.
  - falcolas 9y ago
    The entire internet infrastructure is controlled by private companies. Many of which are incorporated in the US. If you hold to the belief that internet infrastructure companies should be free to censor anything and everything they want to, there is no such thing as free speech on the internet. That future is not one I personally subscribe to; I believe in the basic human right to express one self, and as ubiquitous as the internet is as a means of communication, that means people must be free to express themselves on the internet.
    - stinos 9y ago
mejin 9y ago
I wounder if this is the start of a significantly less free internet. In the past if one site started censoring ideas, one could open up a new site to express those ideas. Now that a hosting site is removing a site for hateful ideas, I wounder what would come next. Maybe in the not so distant future, sites that publish mainstream Republican news will be removed from GoDaddy, or maybe sites that disagree with SOPA [1] or that shooting wild elephants is wrong[1]. While I think that posting an article titled "Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut" shows that you are a terrible person, there has to be a media for them to express their ideas. If the government wont "sell" domains directly to people then there should be a rule similar to net neutrality that will require private companies to treat all sites equal no matter how much they disagree with the idea. The alternative to that is to make sure that you don't post anything on your own website that will anger the domain name registras. Who knows if in the future your idea will become an idea that many others disagree with. [1] GoDaddy supported SOPA and their CEO hunted a wild elephant.
- zimpenfish 9y ago
  > there has to be a media for them to express their ideas. No, there doesn't. Nazism had its chance. We fought a world war over it. I think popular opinion came down on the side of "hang Nazis and prevent this ever happening again." > there should be a rule similar to net neutrality Unfortunately, Trump and his cabinet are against net neutrality.
  - Turing_Machine 9y ago
    > No, there doesn't. Nazism had its chance. We fought a world war over it. As did Communism, and we fought a Cold War over that. A "white nationalist" (apparently) ran someone over with his car, while a communist is currently threatening to nuke the United States. Nuking a country has to be worse than running over a single person, right? If not, why not? Maybe next we can shut down all communist web sites. After the communists, then we can move on to socialists of any kind. Then people who don't salute the flag. Then atheists. Then people who don't go to church on Sunday. Then... This doesn't end up where you imagine that it ends up. For example: https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/08/14/conservatives-must-regulate-google-and-all-of-silicon-valley-into-submission-n2368118 https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/08/14/co... (note that I do not necessarily agree with this article)
heymijo 9y ago
Two things are swirling in my head: 1) Libraries and librarians are rabidly anti-censorship 2) The Supreme Court's ruling about pornography "I know it when I see it" Libraries aren't cesspools of things titled "...a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old-Slut" and yet subversive books have always been available. Libraries/librarians seem to have figured out how to toe the line between freedom of speech and the kinds of hate-speech that caused GoDaddy to dump the Daily Stormer. These are raw thoughts, but I'm wondering what we might be able to learn from the librarian ethos.
- throwaway76543 9y ago
  "Libraries aren't cesspools of things" They are, actually. There's plenty of hate filled speech in my local library. It carries Mein Kampf, for example, as well as plenty of other objectionable material. The difference is probably that you don't fixate on these things when you visit the library. You don't consider the entire library to be a cesspool simply because it contains some objectionable material. Libraries have a strong, approachable position which supports disseminating all speech, including vile speech. It's an academic position, independent of good PR. Folks are strongly discouraged from engaging in book-burning campaigns against libraries. This culture is largely lacking on the internet, which is primarily run by profit seeking companies who worry about their public image. So maybe the internet isn't a cesspool either? Perhaps the issue is that the curators of the internet are happy to censor, in exchange for better public relations?
Overtonwindow 9y ago
What's next? 4chan? Wikileaks? Once a company starts down this path and shows it can be pushed to censor, where will it end?
- kthejoker2 9y ago
  Why "pushed" to censor? They have a TOS, they enforced it. And I'd much rather have my social opprobrium doled out in the marketplace. Ideologies should absolutely have costs.
  - Overtonwindow 9y ago
    Did this TOS magically appear overnight? GoDaddy has been hosting this website a very long time. This wasn't an ideological decision by them, it was a business decision. If it was a TOS violation that would've happened a long time ago.
    - sever5 9y ago
      GoDaddy is infamous for suspending service without notice and not standing up for their customers at all.
teilo 9y ago
All this is going to do is drive the Reichtards into their own tech ecosystem.
mgiannopoulos 9y ago
And now this: Google cancels domain registration for Daily Stormer http://uk.businessinsider.com/google-cancels-domain-registration-for-daily-stormer-2017-8?r=US&IR=T http://uk.businessinsider.com/google-cancels-domain-registra...

39 points by valentinebm 9y ago

int_19h 9y ago

This appears to be an attempt by the site admins to troll.

nefitty 9y ago
That's the general consensus in their own community. The takeover post says something about "defending the Jewish people", which is a particularly unusual way for Anonymous to describe their actions, and is more in line with alt-right vocabulary.

django-boy 9y ago

I read that article about the woman that was killed, what the actual fuck.

zimpenfish 9y ago
I only saw the headline but yeah, that was enough. Although from other Daily Stormer content I have seen, that's pretty much par for the course.
throwaway290302 9y ago
Here's the archived article (titled "Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut") for reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20170813181100/https://www.dailystormer.com/heather-heyer-woman-killed-in-road-rage-incident-was-a-fat-childless-32-year-old-slut/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170813181100/https://www.daily...
kuschku 9y ago
Honestly, it's not surprising. /r/the_donald, 4chan's /pol/ etc all had far worse responses to this situation. The article from the daily stormer, as horrible as it is, is ithe least offensive right-wing response to this that I've read yet. Everything else went even further. Now the big question is, why does reddit, a SV company, still support these groups on their site, and why did these groups form in first place.
- zimpenfish 9y ago
  > Now the big question is, why does reddit, a SV company, still support these groups on their site I'm assuming you want a more nuanced answer than "because SV is libertarian white dude central"? > why did these groups form in first place. Oh, that's easy - because the US has been a racist country for decades and no-one has had the balls to stamp it out.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    > Oh, that's easy - because the US has been a racist country for decades and no-one has had the balls to stamp it out. That explains why they exist, but not why new groups form today still.
    - zimpenfish 9y ago
      Well, they're not really new groups - militia and the klan have been around for decades. They just like giving themselves new names because, like all angry idiots, they start infighting and splintering from each other. Although, yes, the GOP have been enabling and emboldening them for the last (at least 5 but really many more) years - now they have a whole bunch of people who support them in the WH that are dismantling anti-WS task forces etc.
      - int_19h 9y ago
        Most of the ones that participated in the march in Charlottesville were genuine new groups: Identity Evropa, Vanguard America, Traditionalist Worker Party etc. And most of their membership is not a split from KKK etc. It's new people, often with very different backgrounds age- and education-wise. And one distinguishing thing about them is that they put a lot more emphasis on politics and outreach compared to KKK, and they openly reference fascist and Nazi ideas - which is to say, they don't just talk about white supremacy, but they talk about fascist ideals for governance etc. Make no mistake, this is a new wave of political right-wing authoritarianism in US, not the same old.

iknow44 9y ago

Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan. We have to educated ourself to engage in discussion, i think when you look in internet bubbles/hugboxes. You don't talk to those people, you ignore or ban them like google did with 8chan or you can ridicule them calling them nazi or virgins/neckbeards. People won't allow any discussion and that will fuel rage, i mean real rage and can get real serious, because they felt like other people (normies) are enemy, that they can't even talk and they are censored by blant corporations using "hate speech" I know another newly created account commenting.

stinos 9y ago
Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan well sure, but doesn't freedom also mean you're allowed to select whether or not you want to host their websites?
- iknow44 9y ago
  sure, they can select, that's part of freedom. But if you are saying like google, duckduckgo, wikipedia, other "freedom sites" that you promote freedoom and free speech and then you just ban unpopular or sometimes wrong or nazi views, cutting the discussion and sometimes the chance to explain to other site your views/convince then you don't promote freedoom or free speech.
- falcolas 9y ago
  The entire internet infrastructure is controlled by private companies. Many of which are incorporated in the US. If you hold to the belief that internet infrastructure companies should be free to censor anything and everything they want to, there is no such thing as free speech on the internet. That future is not one I personally subscribe to; I believe in the basic human right to express one self, and as ubiquitous as the internet is as a means of communication, that means people must be free to express themselves on the internet.
  - stinos 9y ago

mejin 9y ago

I wounder if this is the start of a significantly less free internet. In the past if one site started censoring ideas, one could open up a new site to express those ideas. Now that a hosting site is removing a site for hateful ideas, I wounder what would come next. Maybe in the not so distant future, sites that publish mainstream Republican news will be removed from GoDaddy, or maybe sites that disagree with SOPA [1] or that shooting wild elephants is wrong[1]. While I think that posting an article titled "Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut" shows that you are a terrible person, there has to be a media for them to express their ideas. If the government wont "sell" domains directly to people then there should be a rule similar to net neutrality that will require private companies to treat all sites equal no matter how much they disagree with the idea. The alternative to that is to make sure that you don't post anything on your own website that will anger the domain name registras. Who knows if in the future your idea will become an idea that many others disagree with. [1] GoDaddy supported SOPA and their CEO hunted a wild elephant.

zimpenfish 9y ago
> there has to be a media for them to express their ideas. No, there doesn't. Nazism had its chance. We fought a world war over it. I think popular opinion came down on the side of "hang Nazis and prevent this ever happening again." > there should be a rule similar to net neutrality Unfortunately, Trump and his cabinet are against net neutrality.
- Turing_Machine 9y ago
  > No, there doesn't. Nazism had its chance. We fought a world war over it. As did Communism, and we fought a Cold War over that. A "white nationalist" (apparently) ran someone over with his car, while a communist is currently threatening to nuke the United States. Nuking a country has to be worse than running over a single person, right? If not, why not? Maybe next we can shut down all communist web sites. After the communists, then we can move on to socialists of any kind. Then people who don't salute the flag. Then atheists. Then people who don't go to church on Sunday. Then... This doesn't end up where you imagine that it ends up. For example: https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/08/14/conservatives-must-regulate-google-and-all-of-silicon-valley-into-submission-n2368118 https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/08/14/co... (note that I do not necessarily agree with this article)

heymijo 9y ago

Two things are swirling in my head: 1) Libraries and librarians are rabidly anti-censorship 2) The Supreme Court's ruling about pornography "I know it when I see it" Libraries aren't cesspools of things titled "...a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old-Slut" and yet subversive books have always been available. Libraries/librarians seem to have figured out how to toe the line between freedom of speech and the kinds of hate-speech that caused GoDaddy to dump the Daily Stormer. These are raw thoughts, but I'm wondering what we might be able to learn from the librarian ethos.

throwaway76543 9y ago
"Libraries aren't cesspools of things" They are, actually. There's plenty of hate filled speech in my local library. It carries Mein Kampf, for example, as well as plenty of other objectionable material. The difference is probably that you don't fixate on these things when you visit the library. You don't consider the entire library to be a cesspool simply because it contains some objectionable material. Libraries have a strong, approachable position which supports disseminating all speech, including vile speech. It's an academic position, independent of good PR. Folks are strongly discouraged from engaging in book-burning campaigns against libraries. This culture is largely lacking on the internet, which is primarily run by profit seeking companies who worry about their public image. So maybe the internet isn't a cesspool either? Perhaps the issue is that the curators of the internet are happy to censor, in exchange for better public relations?

Overtonwindow 9y ago

What's next? 4chan? Wikileaks? Once a company starts down this path and shows it can be pushed to censor, where will it end?

kthejoker2 9y ago
Why "pushed" to censor? They have a TOS, they enforced it. And I'd much rather have my social opprobrium doled out in the marketplace. Ideologies should absolutely have costs.
- Overtonwindow 9y ago
  Did this TOS magically appear overnight? GoDaddy has been hosting this website a very long time. This wasn't an ideological decision by them, it was a business decision. If it was a TOS violation that would've happened a long time ago.
  - sever5 9y ago
    GoDaddy is infamous for suspending service without notice and not standing up for their customers at all.

teilo 9y ago

All this is going to do is drive the Reichtards into their own tech ecosystem.

mgiannopoulos 9y ago

And now this: Google cancels domain registration for Daily Stormer http://uk.businessinsider.com/google-cancels-domain-registration-for-daily-stormer-2017-8?r=US&IR=T http://uk.businessinsider.com/google-cancels-domain-registra...