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Both my girlfriend and I have been pursuing strategic defaults on our primary residences in the state of California. Her property is underwater by 300K. Mine
by TylerJewell 16y ago
Both my girlfriend and I have been pursuing strategic defaults on our primary residences in the state of California. Her property is underwater by 300K. Mine is about 250K. Neither of us are wealthy, but the financial upside of pursuing this route is very compelling.
In California, if the loan on the home is a purchase money loan, which is the one used to purchase the home, and not refinanced, then in a foreclosure situation, the banks are not in a position to pursue you for a personal deficiency. In other words, they cannot sue you for the loss on the home. We had our lawyers check this out and it's due to laws dating back to the Depression era.
At the time that a house is sold, there are three parties agreeing to the price: the buyer, the appraiser, and the mortgage lender. So if a home goes down in value, all parties share the risk. It's no different than a VC investing in a small business. If the business fails, the VC cannot sue the managers of the business to get their money back. The same holds true with foreclosures in California. In the depression, this same situation happened, property values fell, people lost their jobs and were sued by the banks to pay them back. Bad stuff.
We are both pursuing short sales of our homes, but are perfectly OK with a foreclosure. In both situations, our credit ratings will take a huge hit, but they recover in 7 years for a foreclosure, and in 2 years if it's a short sale. So we asked ourselves, is our credit score worth 300K? And with some simple financial modeling, we figured that it was about 10 years for the property values to break even. And the trade off was simple.
The short sale does turn into cancelled debt, though, and the IRS will get a 1099-C. Cancelled debt counts as income, which makes it taxable. Except the US govt passed the 2007 mortgage debt relief act, which makes cancelled debt from a mortgage tied to your primary residence an exception. You do not have to pay income tax on it. This is valid through the 2012 calendar year.
At the state tax level, if the home has cancelled debt, it's still seen as a loss sales against the orginal value of the home. And losses are not taxable.
So this is a great situation financially - no liability to the mortgage company, no federal or state tax. Really bad credit for a couple years :(. But as a question of opportunity cost, this seemed to make the most sense.
In order to pursue this, both of us had to stop making all payments on the mortgages. We both got harrassing debt collection calls for awhile, but once you get into the foreclosure process, they eventually die down. We each will get 6-12 months of living in our homes for free, so in some ways that is a loss recovery.
Hope this helps some of you...
- jdminhbg 16y ago"Her property is underwater by 300K. Mine is about 250K. Neither of us are wealthy..." I realize that "wealthy" is a hopelessly vague relative term, but unless your houses are literally worth $0 now to put you $550K underwater, most people would consider you wealthy to have bought them in the first place.
- jakevoytko 16y agoChris Rock has some good input on the subject: "Shaq is rich. The white man who signs his check is wealthy." If you're rich, you can buy an expensive house. If you're wealthy, you can forget exactly how many expensive houses you have.
- TylerJewell 16y agoHello, jdminhbg. It's an interesting point that you make, but here is the real situation with my girlfriend. Do you still think that she is considered wealthy? - She has been employed as a licensed clinical social worker for 11 years with a county in california. - She owned a condo for 3 years, sold it, made 100K profit. - She used that 100K as a down payment on her current home. - She bought the home for 500K, 400K 30 yr fixed mortgage. - She bought the home 6 years ago. - Today, she owes $370K, and the BPO of the home is 170K. This is commensurate with other homes in the area. - She has 30K in the bank and a pension plan with the state of California. She is still employed with the county, but they are pursuing layoffs in social services. Her job is at risk. Technically, she is insolvent, as the 300K owed is greater than the 30K she has in the bank. Her retirement pension doesn't count towards solvency. So a set of circumstances where she used the profits from one investment, and placed all of those profits in another investment to buy a nicer home for herself has turned sour. Her salary let her afford the 400K mortgage, but she wasn't able to save or invest in other items. She didn't have tremendous wealth, but she did have skills and a job that would allow her to continue payments against a loan, at the cost of not being able to afford any other investments. When this is all done, she'll have 40K in the bank from saved mortgage payments, a pension, her job (hopefully), and bad credit.
- gsmaverick 16y ago