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> ... but I personally prefer to be treated like a responsible adult rather than, for instance, a teenager trapped in the father-knows-best house of Go. My fee

by zaro 9y ago

> ... but I personally prefer to be treated like a responsible adult rather than, for instance, a teenager trapped in the father-knows-best house of Go. My feelings exactly.

lostcolony 9y ago
Oh, -I- should be treated like a responsible adult, -but those maniacs I work with shouldn't be-. Is the language for individuals, or for teams? Is it for software developers, or dabblers from other domains who have to crank out a bit of code?
- atemerev 9y ago
  Perl always was, and still is, a hacker's language. It is for individuals who want to get shit done NOW, disregarding maintainability or teamwork. For this particular niche, it is indispensable.
  - lostcolony 9y ago
    Not saying otherwise. I, personally, prefer languages I can come back to a month later and figure out what the hell -I- was thinking, let alone someone else, but I understand the appeal. My point was that it's not really a pro/con of a language on whether it favors individuals hacking, or teams developing, but merely a consideration for its appropriateness to your problem, and so to say "I prefer" needs to be qualified as to -when- it's preferable.
- throwaway7645 9y ago
  There's a lot to learn in P6 (I'm not an expert at all) and you could definitely beat anyone except for an APL developer in an obfuscated code contest IF you wanted to. However, I find the majority of P6 to be quite pleasant to read and terse to write...a nicely optimized ratio.
- zaro 9y ago
  I and the maniacs I work with should be treated as reponisble adults. IMHO the issues are never with technology itself, it's the people. And whatever language or technology you are using won't make any difference if the people themselves don't want to work as a team.
raldi 9y ago
You'd probably enjoy this short essay, if you haven't seen it yet: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/12/06/news-45/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/12/06/news-45/

by zaro 9y ago

> ... but I personally prefer to be treated like a responsible adult rather than, for instance, a teenager trapped in the father-knows-best house of Go. My feelings exactly.

lostcolony 9y ago

Oh, -I- should be treated like a responsible adult, -but those maniacs I work with shouldn't be-. Is the language for individuals, or for teams? Is it for software developers, or dabblers from other domains who have to crank out a bit of code?

atemerev 9y ago
Perl always was, and still is, a hacker's language. It is for individuals who want to get shit done NOW, disregarding maintainability or teamwork. For this particular niche, it is indispensable.
- lostcolony 9y ago
  Not saying otherwise. I, personally, prefer languages I can come back to a month later and figure out what the hell -I- was thinking, let alone someone else, but I understand the appeal. My point was that it's not really a pro/con of a language on whether it favors individuals hacking, or teams developing, but merely a consideration for its appropriateness to your problem, and so to say "I prefer" needs to be qualified as to -when- it's preferable.
throwaway7645 9y ago
There's a lot to learn in P6 (I'm not an expert at all) and you could definitely beat anyone except for an APL developer in an obfuscated code contest IF you wanted to. However, I find the majority of P6 to be quite pleasant to read and terse to write...a nicely optimized ratio.
zaro 9y ago
I and the maniacs I work with should be treated as reponisble adults. IMHO the issues are never with technology itself, it's the people. And whatever language or technology you are using won't make any difference if the people themselves don't want to work as a team.

raldi 9y ago

You'd probably enjoy this short essay, if you haven't seen it yet: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/12/06/news-45/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/12/06/news-45/