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2017: the year when "I don't support Nazis" became a controversial political statement in the United States of America.

by debatem1 9y ago

cooper12 9y ago
Don't you know? If you don't give a platform to people calling for genocide, you're the intolerant one.
- lisper 9y ago
  That sort of intolerance is a badge I will wear with unalloyed pride.
rsj_hn 9y ago
It became controversial about the time that everyone who questioned affirmative action or didn't vote for Hillary Clinton was labelled a white supremacist or a Nazi. Suddenly the whole nation is filled with Nazis. It's like the day after the election, half the population started engaging in WW2 cosplay. There are more Rastafarians in America then there are actual Nazis, and I'd wager very few people in this rally even know the definition of a Nazi, let alone are one.
- flunhat 9y ago
  Oh, come off it. You're creating a strawman - there's plenty of room for political debate around specific issues. And I don't think people who didn't vote for HRC are Nazis are anything like that. You know what I think? I think you don't actually care about free speech. A Nazi (a real, card-carrying Nazi) drove a car through a group of leftist protestors and killed an innocent young woman. He took away, by force, her right to freedom of expression. But I notice you haven't voiced any concern about that - you only care about freedom of speech to the extent that it's used to protect Nazis (and those who associate with them). But when it comes to protecting the free speech of protestors who disagree? All of a sudden, your deep concern is nowhere to be found. Give me a break.
  - alexknvl 9y ago
    Even if you do not think that, your fellow humans do. If you put power into their hands to decide who should hang, a lot of innocent people will. What you are talking about is completely orthogonal to the first amendment. Everyone has a right to speech and everyone is protected from vehicular assault & murder by law. I hope that everyone on Hacker News condemns that act of violence. Could you please point to the source of your claim that he was a "card-carrying Nazi"?
    - flunhat 9y ago
      Photos of James Alex Fields before he drove his car through the crowd have him among the Vanguard America group, which (according to Wikipedia) is an American white nationalist group. His high school friends and teacher also say that he had a deep obsession with Nazis. So that makes him a card carrying Nazi in my eyes. There's also more evidence of his ideology if you just google his name.

2017: the year when "I don't support Nazis" became a controversial political statement in the United States of America.

cooper12 9y ago

Don't you know? If you don't give a platform to people calling for genocide, you're the intolerant one.

lisper 9y ago
That sort of intolerance is a badge I will wear with unalloyed pride.

rsj_hn 9y ago

It became controversial about the time that everyone who questioned affirmative action or didn't vote for Hillary Clinton was labelled a white supremacist or a Nazi. Suddenly the whole nation is filled with Nazis. It's like the day after the election, half the population started engaging in WW2 cosplay. There are more Rastafarians in America then there are actual Nazis, and I'd wager very few people in this rally even know the definition of a Nazi, let alone are one.

flunhat 9y ago
Oh, come off it. You're creating a strawman - there's plenty of room for political debate around specific issues. And I don't think people who didn't vote for HRC are Nazis are anything like that. You know what I think? I think you don't actually care about free speech. A Nazi (a real, card-carrying Nazi) drove a car through a group of leftist protestors and killed an innocent young woman. He took away, by force, her right to freedom of expression. But I notice you haven't voiced any concern about that - you only care about freedom of speech to the extent that it's used to protect Nazis (and those who associate with them). But when it comes to protecting the free speech of protestors who disagree? All of a sudden, your deep concern is nowhere to be found. Give me a break.
- alexknvl 9y ago
  Even if you do not think that, your fellow humans do. If you put power into their hands to decide who should hang, a lot of innocent people will. What you are talking about is completely orthogonal to the first amendment. Everyone has a right to speech and everyone is protected from vehicular assault & murder by law. I hope that everyone on Hacker News condemns that act of violence. Could you please point to the source of your claim that he was a "card-carrying Nazi"?
  - flunhat 9y ago
    Photos of James Alex Fields before he drove his car through the crowd have him among the Vanguard America group, which (according to Wikipedia) is an American white nationalist group. His high school friends and teacher also say that he had a deep obsession with Nazis. So that makes him a card carrying Nazi in my eyes. There's also more evidence of his ideology if you just google his name.