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And how is this a bad thing? Allowing hate groups "above ground" normalizes their behavior. They should be underground.

sebleon 9y ago
Having hate groups above ground makes it easier to assess size of this problem and fix it.
zachrose 9y ago
Let's imagine there is a just future ahead. How do we get there? Suppress white supremecy from public discussion, and hope it dies out from loneliness in a few generations? Good luck with that. I want white supremacism die out, not white supremacist people themselves. I want their voice in the public dialogue. I want white supremacists to bring their ideology into the public sphere so that it can be visibly argued against. I want white supremacists to experience a change of heart.
- pm24601 9y ago
  > Suppress white supremecy from public discussion, and hope it dies out from loneliness in a few generations? Good luck with that. Actually, ... yes. White supremacy used to be the norm. Slavery, lynch mobs, KKK, etc. all were considered normal. "To Kill a Mockingbird" was a book that talked about how normal such attitudes were (and still are in parts of the South) White supremacy has been denormalized and it is dying says that continued denormalization does work. In Durham, NC a confederate statue was pulled down. In the video, white people were seen abusing it. White people. That is what denormalization looks like.
masonic 9y ago
That strategy worked so well in 1930s Europe (not just Germany). Extremist views are hard to fight when they are safely hidden away. Like any infection, it's best to expose them to the light of day. It's more effective to point and laugh than to throw projectiles and yell. (Had that strategy been employed in 1923, there would have been no Mein Kampf.)
- irishasaurus 9y ago
  Riiiiiiight, that's why underground groups on the far left like anarchists and communists were so successful in Poland, Spain, Greece and elsewhere. The far right was normalized and that's how they grew their ranks. It was the editor that published Mein Kampf as well as Hitler. It was the Italian media and the futurists that helped Mussolini gain power. This isn't about censorship, this is about how fascists can co-opt the democratic process and rise to power. How fascism was covered by the media http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-journalists-covered-rise-mussolini-hitler-180961407/ http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-journalists-covere... The myth of political correctness https://thinkprogress.org/the-phony-debate-about-political-correctness-f81da03b3bdb/ https://thinkprogress.org/the-phony-debate-about-political-c... What normalization looks like today https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/normalization-lesson-munich-post/ https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/normalization-lesson-mun...
cabalamat 9y ago
> Allowing hate groups "above ground" normalizes their behavior. It doesn't gain them support. Putting their views in the spotlight demonstrates what sort of people they are, and helps combat them. For example, the far-right British National Party had two seats in the European parliament from 2009-2014, but it didn't do them any good.

Having hate groups above ground makes it easier to assess size of this problem and fix it.

Let's imagine there is a just future ahead. How do we get there? Suppress white supremecy from public discussion, and hope it dies out from loneliness in a few generations? Good luck with that. I want white supremacism die out, not white supremacist people themselves. I want their voice in the public dialogue. I want white supremacists to bring their ideology into the public sphere so that it can be visibly argued against. I want white supremacists to experience a change of heart.

pm24601 9y ago
> Suppress white supremecy from public discussion, and hope it dies out from loneliness in a few generations? Good luck with that. Actually, ... yes. White supremacy used to be the norm. Slavery, lynch mobs, KKK, etc. all were considered normal. "To Kill a Mockingbird" was a book that talked about how normal such attitudes were (and still are in parts of the South) White supremacy has been denormalized and it is dying says that continued denormalization does work. In Durham, NC a confederate statue was pulled down. In the video, white people were seen abusing it. White people. That is what denormalization looks like.

masonic 9y ago

That strategy worked so well in 1930s Europe (not just Germany). Extremist views are hard to fight when they are safely hidden away. Like any infection, it's best to expose them to the light of day. It's more effective to point and laugh than to throw projectiles and yell. (Had that strategy been employed in 1923, there would have been no Mein Kampf.)

irishasaurus 9y ago
Riiiiiiight, that's why underground groups on the far left like anarchists and communists were so successful in Poland, Spain, Greece and elsewhere. The far right was normalized and that's how they grew their ranks. It was the editor that published Mein Kampf as well as Hitler. It was the Italian media and the futurists that helped Mussolini gain power. This isn't about censorship, this is about how fascists can co-opt the democratic process and rise to power. How fascism was covered by the media http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-journalists-covered-rise-mussolini-hitler-180961407/ http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-journalists-covere... The myth of political correctness https://thinkprogress.org/the-phony-debate-about-political-correctness-f81da03b3bdb/ https://thinkprogress.org/the-phony-debate-about-political-c... What normalization looks like today https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/normalization-lesson-munich-post/ https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/normalization-lesson-mun...

cabalamat 9y ago

> Allowing hate groups "above ground" normalizes their behavior. It doesn't gain them support. Putting their views in the spotlight demonstrates what sort of people they are, and helps combat them. For example, the far-right British National Party had two seats in the European parliament from 2009-2014, but it didn't do them any good.