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I had almost entirely forgotten about shanley, who's been on a one-sided jihad against HN since time immemorial. But apparently she chimed in with the thoughtfu

I had almost entirely forgotten about shanley, who's been on a one-sided jihad against HN since time immemorial. But apparently she chimed in with the thoughtful tweet: >FUCK THE ACLU >ACLU CELEBRATES CAUSING DEATH TO ANTI-FASCISTS AT THE HANDS OF NAZI AND KKK >"FREE SPEECH" IS FASCISM

microcolonel 9y ago
> >"FREE SPEECH" IS FASCISM War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength The thing about this assembly is that if Antifa hadn't shown up, and it was just the southern nationalists, National Socialists, white ethnonationalists, Alt-Righters, Proud Boys, and Oathkeepers[0] who planned the assembly, and the members of the peaceful counter-assembly, no fights would have broken out, and some people would walk away just looking very misguided. Instead somebody, unclear who (Edit: now clear who, see replies), rammed a car into a woman who is now dead; and there was enough ruckus to activate the National Guard. The clear problem here is precisely that speech is being equated to violence, and folks take that to imply that unsavoury speech warrants a violent response. [0]: https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/896146435850108928 https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/896146435850108928
- willstrafach 9y ago
  > Instead somebody, unclear who, rammed a car into a woman who is now dead "A man accused of plowing a car into a crowd of activists here — killing one person and injuring 19 — long sympathized with Nazi views and had stood with a group of white supremacists hours before Saturday’s bloody crash." (Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/one-dead-as-car-strikes-crowds-amid-protests-of-white-nationalist-gathering-in-charlottesville-two-police-die-in-helicopter-crash/2017/08/13/3590b3ce-8021-11e7-902a-2a9f2d808496_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/one-dead-as-car-strikes...)
  - microcolonel 9y ago
    New information to me, thanks for adding instead of insinuating.
- fatbird 9y ago
  It's not "unclear who": It's James Alex Fields, Jr., a registered Republican from Ohio who owned the car doing the ramming, who told his mother he was going to a rally for Trump, and was photographed in the line of unite-the-right protestors carrying a shield with a well-known fascist symbol on it. All this was known and undisputed 24 hours ago. Police have arrested him and charged him with 2nd degree murder. And it's not just "into a woman", it was into a densely packed crowd of counter-protestors. 1 woman, Heather Heyer, was killed, and 19 were injured.
- dandersh 9y ago
  I suppose because the event received so much attention the whole "it never happened/fake news" trick from the playbook doesn't work, so it's time to blame the victim and insinuate that it was a false flag event.
  - heartbreak 9y ago
    I don’t blame the protesters for standing up, shouting, and using other tactics of dissent against the white supremacists. This was the third time this has happened in Charlottesville this summer. Richard Spencer’s torches in May, KKK in July, and this mess yesterday. Ignoring them didn’t work.
- jbapple 9y ago
  How do you know that the vehicular homicide would not have happened had Antifa not shown up? What evidence do you have to indicate this?

microcolonel 9y ago

> >"FREE SPEECH" IS FASCISM War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength The thing about this assembly is that if Antifa hadn't shown up, and it was just the southern nationalists, National Socialists, white ethnonationalists, Alt-Righters, Proud Boys, and Oathkeepers[0] who planned the assembly, and the members of the peaceful counter-assembly, no fights would have broken out, and some people would walk away just looking very misguided. Instead somebody, unclear who (Edit: now clear who, see replies), rammed a car into a woman who is now dead; and there was enough ruckus to activate the National Guard. The clear problem here is precisely that speech is being equated to violence, and folks take that to imply that unsavoury speech warrants a violent response. [0]: https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/896146435850108928 https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/896146435850108928

willstrafach 9y ago
> Instead somebody, unclear who, rammed a car into a woman who is now dead "A man accused of plowing a car into a crowd of activists here — killing one person and injuring 19 — long sympathized with Nazi views and had stood with a group of white supremacists hours before Saturday’s bloody crash." (Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/one-dead-as-car-strikes-crowds-amid-protests-of-white-nationalist-gathering-in-charlottesville-two-police-die-in-helicopter-crash/2017/08/13/3590b3ce-8021-11e7-902a-2a9f2d808496_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/one-dead-as-car-strikes...)
- microcolonel 9y ago
  New information to me, thanks for adding instead of insinuating.
fatbird 9y ago
It's not "unclear who": It's James Alex Fields, Jr., a registered Republican from Ohio who owned the car doing the ramming, who told his mother he was going to a rally for Trump, and was photographed in the line of unite-the-right protestors carrying a shield with a well-known fascist symbol on it. All this was known and undisputed 24 hours ago. Police have arrested him and charged him with 2nd degree murder. And it's not just "into a woman", it was into a densely packed crowd of counter-protestors. 1 woman, Heather Heyer, was killed, and 19 were injured.
dandersh 9y ago
I suppose because the event received so much attention the whole "it never happened/fake news" trick from the playbook doesn't work, so it's time to blame the victim and insinuate that it was a false flag event.
- heartbreak 9y ago
  I don’t blame the protesters for standing up, shouting, and using other tactics of dissent against the white supremacists. This was the third time this has happened in Charlottesville this summer. Richard Spencer’s torches in May, KKK in July, and this mess yesterday. Ignoring them didn’t work.
jbapple 9y ago
How do you know that the vehicular homicide would not have happened had Antifa not shown up? What evidence do you have to indicate this?