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"Four - It would be a hardcore adventure game driven by what made that era so great. No tutorials or hint systems or pansy-assed puzzles or catering to the mass

"Four - It would be a hardcore adventure game driven by what made that era so great. No tutorials or hint systems or pansy-assed puzzles or catering to the mass-market or modernizing. It would be an adventure game for the hardcore. You're going to get stuck. You're going to be frustrated. Some puzzles will be hard, but all the puzzles will be fair." Difficult, in the age of the ubiquitous walk-through. You'd need to introduce randomization so that each instance of the game was unique, but even then, sites can describe methods of finding the solution.

mysterydip 9y ago
I think that's part of what makes roguelikes so popular right now. While there's general guidelines, each run's strategy will be different depending on what's available and choices made.
patrickyeon 9y ago
I don't agree on that. Of course, if someone wants to bypass a puzzle they can, but that's not the spirit in which I read the "no tutorials or hint systems" bit. What he's really offering is the option for the player to elect to never see hints and training, and puting the constraint on himself that he has to use gameplay and good design to explain the problems and not beat you over the head with the solution. I believe his goal is not to make it more fun by making the "finished this game" more exclusive, but rather make it more fun by designing it to be intrinsically fun for the audience he's targetting.
Cthulhu_ 9y ago
There were walkthroughs of Monkey Island back then too - nothing new there. I know I needed them. But it's like cheats; you could use them, but the game wasn't intended to be played like that.
thinkfurther 9y ago
> catering to the mass-market Instead Thimbleweed Park is full of references and caters to nostalgia. "Remember X? Wasn't that funny?" Yeah I do remember X, that's why I bought this game that nobody who doesn't remember X would ever buy except by accident.

mysterydip 9y ago

I think that's part of what makes roguelikes so popular right now. While there's general guidelines, each run's strategy will be different depending on what's available and choices made.

patrickyeon 9y ago

I don't agree on that. Of course, if someone wants to bypass a puzzle they can, but that's not the spirit in which I read the "no tutorials or hint systems" bit. What he's really offering is the option for the player to elect to never see hints and training, and puting the constraint on himself that he has to use gameplay and good design to explain the problems and not beat you over the head with the solution. I believe his goal is not to make it more fun by making the "finished this game" more exclusive, but rather make it more fun by designing it to be intrinsically fun for the audience he's targetting.

Cthulhu_ 9y ago

There were walkthroughs of Monkey Island back then too - nothing new there. I know I needed them. But it's like cheats; you could use them, but the game wasn't intended to be played like that.

thinkfurther 9y ago

> catering to the mass-market Instead Thimbleweed Park is full of references and caters to nostalgia. "Remember X? Wasn't that funny?" Yeah I do remember X, that's why I bought this game that nobody who doesn't remember X would ever buy except by accident.