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That's the problem, you aren't going to convince any important amount of people; neither is me or everyone else who thinks the same way; so then we should focus

That's the problem, you aren't going to convince any important amount of people; neither is me or everyone else who thinks the same way; so then we should focus into a more long-term solution, meaning kids, or more specifically: schools. Every school (middle and high) should have at least 1 daily hour about how we are destroying the planet and how to stop its destruction; with less focus on "love the trees" and more focus on "we would die if the planet didn't have trees; so take care of them", and the chemical composition of non-renewable compounds and its practical effects over health, drought, etc. But this is not going to start with public schools, because that would mean convincing policymakers and we established that doesn't work well; so if its starts somewhere its going to be private schools; funded by people interested in making the world greener.

Steeeve 9y ago
> Every school (middle and high) should have at least 1 daily hour about how we are destroying the planet and how to stop its destruction; with less focus on "love the trees" and more focus on "we would die if the planet didn't have trees; so take care of them", and the chemical composition of non-renewable compounds and its practical effects over health, drought, etc. It's disturbing to me that anybody thinks fear mongering and brain washing is an acceptable solution if they think the end goal is a worthy cause. Do a little bit of soul searching and research before you decide to attack the minds of an entire generation because you read an activist pamphlet that affected you.
- notgood 9y ago
  So if I tell you an avalanche is coming to kill you (and its true) is that fear mongering? Does it make me a "fear monguerer" to tell you that "you should run for your life" because well... you should run for your life? Or it's not fear mongering just because its a short term (AKA urgent) danger? About the brain washing thing; I also think such school should dedicate some hours to produce a more skeptic/rational society, skeptic of authority (religion/goverment et all) and of course skeptic of the schooling itself. "attack the minds of an entire generation"... as oppose to what? The free minds that we have now that voted for Trump? The free minds that pledge loyalty to a flag every morning but none to humanity? A free mind is the one who understands its world better, even the "fearsome" parts. By the way asking me to do "inner soul searching" is the lowest kind of ad hominem, because its not even a rational one (e.g you belong to X political party so your opinion doesn't count) but an emotional one (e.g your soul is rotten and therefore you have rotten opinions).
- aeontech 9y ago
  Parent comment is perhaps a little strongly worded, but I don’t see it as suggesting brain washing. Is teaching about public health or sex education brain washing? Is teaching calculus brain washing? Why would teaching about the impact we have on our environment in aggregate be brain washing? We as a species have not adapted to think or care beyond our closest tribe, not have the intuitive capacity to deal with large scale statistics describing the immense power we have in aggregate. For what it’s worth, i am somewhat doubtful that type of education would have much effect - what easier target for natural teenage skepticism of authority and rebellion... but it might help soften some of the impact we are having.

Steeeve 9y ago

> Every school (middle and high) should have at least 1 daily hour about how we are destroying the planet and how to stop its destruction; with less focus on "love the trees" and more focus on "we would die if the planet didn't have trees; so take care of them", and the chemical composition of non-renewable compounds and its practical effects over health, drought, etc. It's disturbing to me that anybody thinks fear mongering and brain washing is an acceptable solution if they think the end goal is a worthy cause. Do a little bit of soul searching and research before you decide to attack the minds of an entire generation because you read an activist pamphlet that affected you.

notgood 9y ago
So if I tell you an avalanche is coming to kill you (and its true) is that fear mongering? Does it make me a "fear monguerer" to tell you that "you should run for your life" because well... you should run for your life? Or it's not fear mongering just because its a short term (AKA urgent) danger? About the brain washing thing; I also think such school should dedicate some hours to produce a more skeptic/rational society, skeptic of authority (religion/goverment et all) and of course skeptic of the schooling itself. "attack the minds of an entire generation"... as oppose to what? The free minds that we have now that voted for Trump? The free minds that pledge loyalty to a flag every morning but none to humanity? A free mind is the one who understands its world better, even the "fearsome" parts. By the way asking me to do "inner soul searching" is the lowest kind of ad hominem, because its not even a rational one (e.g you belong to X political party so your opinion doesn't count) but an emotional one (e.g your soul is rotten and therefore you have rotten opinions).
aeontech 9y ago
Parent comment is perhaps a little strongly worded, but I don’t see it as suggesting brain washing. Is teaching about public health or sex education brain washing? Is teaching calculus brain washing? Why would teaching about the impact we have on our environment in aggregate be brain washing? We as a species have not adapted to think or care beyond our closest tribe, not have the intuitive capacity to deal with large scale statistics describing the immense power we have in aggregate. For what it’s worth, i am somewhat doubtful that type of education would have much effect - what easier target for natural teenage skepticism of authority and rebellion... but it might help soften some of the impact we are having.