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To paraphrase: 'NYT does not want what's best for us.'

ucaetano 9y ago
> To paraphrase: 'NYT does not want what's best for us.' This isn't an article by the NYT. It's an opinion piece by someone unrelated to the newspaper: Jonathan Taplin is the director emeritus of the University of Southern California’s Annenberg Innovation Lab and the author of “Move Fast and Break Things: How Google, Facebook and Amazon Cornered Culture and Undermined Democracy.”
- CamperBob2 9y ago
  You've posted this about 6 times now. If people are still disagreeing with you, maybe there's a reason. If an article appears under the New York Times' logo and URL, then it can reasonably be assumed to reflect an opinion that the New York Times wishes to be associated with.
  - ucaetano 9y ago
    > If an article appears under the New York Times' logo and URL, then it can reasonably be assumed to reflect an opinion that the New York Times wishes to be associated with. No. That is not a reasonable assumption. Newspapers frequently carry highly opposing pieces in their opinion sections. That's how newspapers have worked for a very long time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed The NYT has, for example, hosted Putin in the opinion section: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-cau...
    - CamperBob2 9y ago
      No, all that shows is that they're not concerned with who provides the opinion piece. (And they shouldn't be.) It doesn't make any sense to publish something under your name and then complain when people think you're endorsing it. If I paste a pro-Nazi editorial into my blog, should I resent being held to account for it?
      - ucaetano 9y ago
        > It doesn't make any sense to publish something under your name and then complain when people think you're endorsing it. That's why it's called the "Opinion section": https://www.nytimes.com/content/help/site/editorial/op-ed/op-ed.html https://www.nytimes.com/content/help/site/editorial/op-ed/op... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/opinion/op-ed-and-you.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/opinion/op-ed-and-you.html
  - kurthr 9y ago
    Since opinion pieces in the NYT have many times taken completely opposite sides (often in rapid succession), and the OpEd page is not considered journalism (i.e. it is opinion), I think your statement is patently false ("the NYT doesn't want...") unless you believe that the NYT wishes to be associated with all opinions. In fact that is how OpEd pages are supposed to work if one believes their readers might be able to think for themselves. See their editorial submission page for yourself: https://www.nytimes.com/content/help/site/editorial/op-ed/op-ed.html https://www.nytimes.com/content/help/site/editorial/op-ed/op... "We're interested in everything, if it's opinionated and we believe our readers will find it worth reading."
    - CamperBob2 9y ago
      Great. So I can paste an article from Stormfront into my blog, and no one will think less of me for it as long as I state that I found it "interesting," and believe that my readers will find it "worth reading." Right?
      - ucaetano 9y ago
        If you are the NYT, you probably can, as newspapers are known for having opinion sections. But you most probably are not.
        CamperBob2 9y ago
        Yeah, no. I don't think they'd be up for that at the NYT. Spend some time thinking about why that might be.
        ucaetano 9y ago
        I'd be happy to hear your opinion about that. Having never visited the website you mention, I can't really opine.
        CamperBob2 9y ago

> To paraphrase: 'NYT does not want what's best for us.' This isn't an article by the NYT. It's an opinion piece by someone unrelated to the newspaper: Jonathan Taplin is the director emeritus of the University of Southern California’s Annenberg Innovation Lab and the author of “Move Fast and Break Things: How Google, Facebook and Amazon Cornered Culture and Undermined Democracy.”

CamperBob2 9y ago
You've posted this about 6 times now. If people are still disagreeing with you, maybe there's a reason. If an article appears under the New York Times' logo and URL, then it can reasonably be assumed to reflect an opinion that the New York Times wishes to be associated with.
- ucaetano 9y ago
  > If an article appears under the New York Times' logo and URL, then it can reasonably be assumed to reflect an opinion that the New York Times wishes to be associated with. No. That is not a reasonable assumption. Newspapers frequently carry highly opposing pieces in their opinion sections. That's how newspapers have worked for a very long time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed The NYT has, for example, hosted Putin in the opinion section: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-cau...
  - CamperBob2 9y ago
    No, all that shows is that they're not concerned with who provides the opinion piece. (And they shouldn't be.) It doesn't make any sense to publish something under your name and then complain when people think you're endorsing it. If I paste a pro-Nazi editorial into my blog, should I resent being held to account for it?
    - ucaetano 9y ago
      > It doesn't make any sense to publish something under your name and then complain when people think you're endorsing it. That's why it's called the "Opinion section": https://www.nytimes.com/content/help/site/editorial/op-ed/op-ed.html https://www.nytimes.com/content/help/site/editorial/op-ed/op... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/opinion/op-ed-and-you.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/opinion/op-ed-and-you.html
- kurthr 9y ago
  Since opinion pieces in the NYT have many times taken completely opposite sides (often in rapid succession), and the OpEd page is not considered journalism (i.e. it is opinion), I think your statement is patently false ("the NYT doesn't want...") unless you believe that the NYT wishes to be associated with all opinions. In fact that is how OpEd pages are supposed to work if one believes their readers might be able to think for themselves. See their editorial submission page for yourself: https://www.nytimes.com/content/help/site/editorial/op-ed/op-ed.html https://www.nytimes.com/content/help/site/editorial/op-ed/op... "We're interested in everything, if it's opinionated and we believe our readers will find it worth reading."
  - CamperBob2 9y ago
    Great. So I can paste an article from Stormfront into my blog, and no one will think less of me for it as long as I state that I found it "interesting," and believe that my readers will find it "worth reading." Right?
    - ucaetano 9y ago
      If you are the NYT, you probably can, as newspapers are known for having opinion sections. But you most probably are not.
      - CamperBob2 9y ago
        Yeah, no. I don't think they'd be up for that at the NYT. Spend some time thinking about why that might be.
        ucaetano 9y ago
        I'd be happy to hear your opinion about that. Having never visited the website you mention, I can't really opine.
        CamperBob2 9y ago