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I vouched for the story (which I didn't flag) just so I could reply: "unfit" and "unsuited" mean exactly the same thing. Are you being this intellectually disho

I vouched for the story (which I didn't flag) just so I could reply: "unfit" and "unsuited" mean exactly the same thing. Are you being this intellectually dishonest on purpose? > Since you got that wrong I stopped reading your analysis right there. That's great, because the analysis is concluded: hack fraud journalism. Next.

CalChris 9y ago
Unfit and unsuited do not mean exactly the same thing. In particular, I can't say that the manifesto said that women are unfit to work in tech. Damore didn't say and he didn't mean that. I can and will say that the manifesto said (not quoting here) that women are unsuited for tech. There's sufficient difference between the two words to drive that truck between them. Unfit: not of the necessary quality or standard to meet a particular purpose Unsuited: not right or appropriate. When you quote, quote accurately, especially if you put your quotes in quotation marks.
- thinkfurther 9y ago
  > In particular, I can't say that the manifesto said that women are unfit to work in tech. You can't say it said they're unsuitable to work in tech either. > I can and will say that the manifesto said (not quoting here) You can't make this shit up.. well, as long as you're not quoting I don't care so much what you "can and will say". It's just hot air and saying nothing. But with the way I hobble around in the uncanny valley of the English language, I'm always happy to teach bits of it to a native speaker: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unfit http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unfit unsuited is one of the synonyms. Though not vice versa, but then again, that's just some random site: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unsuited http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unsuited Here's another random site: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfit https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfit a : not adapted to a purpose : unsuitable But what really gets me that rather than correcting that, you just add something even more silly: Unfit: not of the necessary quality or standard to meet a particular purpose Unsuited: not right or appropriate. Do you notice something? "Unsuited" without a qualifier such as "to meet a particular purpose" makes no sense, and cannot be used that way. If anything, unfit can be used that way, though the purpose (being a mother, or standing up without wheezing) is usually implied. You might as well spell the definition of one word with capital letters and the other with lower ones and say "that's not exactly the same". I agree that unfit can be used to mean a value statement, a "not good enough", where unsuitable is more neutral. But even the Oxford Dictionary which defines the individual words in such a way then has this: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/thesaurus/unfit https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/thesaurus/unfit Drive a truck between them? Heh. Language is too nice an invention to play games with it like this. > When you quote, quote accurately, especially if you put your quotes in quotation marks. If you get hung up on this, and actually defend it, you would otherwise have ignored it or found something else. I'll just claim that -- I can, and I will! -- to save us both time.
  - CalChris 9y ago
    When you quote, quote accurately, especially if you put your quotes in quotation marks. Full stop.
    - thinkfurther 9y ago
      Do you mistake yourself for someone who can give me orders? "Full stop" is code for you not having the honesty nor courtesy to just say "thanks for the correction". Your comment stands corrected, you're welcome.

CalChris 9y ago

Unfit and unsuited do not mean exactly the same thing. In particular, I can't say that the manifesto said that women are unfit to work in tech. Damore didn't say and he didn't mean that. I can and will say that the manifesto said (not quoting here) that women are unsuited for tech. There's sufficient difference between the two words to drive that truck between them. Unfit: not of the necessary quality or standard to meet a particular purpose Unsuited: not right or appropriate. When you quote, quote accurately, especially if you put your quotes in quotation marks.

thinkfurther 9y ago
> In particular, I can't say that the manifesto said that women are unfit to work in tech. You can't say it said they're unsuitable to work in tech either. > I can and will say that the manifesto said (not quoting here) You can't make this shit up.. well, as long as you're not quoting I don't care so much what you "can and will say". It's just hot air and saying nothing. But with the way I hobble around in the uncanny valley of the English language, I'm always happy to teach bits of it to a native speaker: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unfit http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unfit unsuited is one of the synonyms. Though not vice versa, but then again, that's just some random site: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unsuited http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unsuited Here's another random site: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfit https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfit a : not adapted to a purpose : unsuitable But what really gets me that rather than correcting that, you just add something even more silly: Unfit: not of the necessary quality or standard to meet a particular purpose Unsuited: not right or appropriate. Do you notice something? "Unsuited" without a qualifier such as "to meet a particular purpose" makes no sense, and cannot be used that way. If anything, unfit can be used that way, though the purpose (being a mother, or standing up without wheezing) is usually implied. You might as well spell the definition of one word with capital letters and the other with lower ones and say "that's not exactly the same". I agree that unfit can be used to mean a value statement, a "not good enough", where unsuitable is more neutral. But even the Oxford Dictionary which defines the individual words in such a way then has this: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/thesaurus/unfit https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/thesaurus/unfit Drive a truck between them? Heh. Language is too nice an invention to play games with it like this. > When you quote, quote accurately, especially if you put your quotes in quotation marks. If you get hung up on this, and actually defend it, you would otherwise have ignored it or found something else. I'll just claim that -- I can, and I will! -- to save us both time.
- CalChris 9y ago
  When you quote, quote accurately, especially if you put your quotes in quotation marks. Full stop.
  - thinkfurther 9y ago
    Do you mistake yourself for someone who can give me orders? "Full stop" is code for you not having the honesty nor courtesy to just say "thanks for the correction". Your comment stands corrected, you're welcome.