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> Then the 3am phone calls will start... As a developer this is exactly what I want. It is part of having ownership and is critical to writing and maintaining

> Then the 3am phone calls will start... As a developer this is exactly what I want. It is part of having ownership and is critical to writing and maintaining good software. Containers are great for this reason as they give me control of the complete runtime environment of my application so I can better support it. And it makes those 3am calls less frequent, not more. I've always been on call for my software and I thought this was now the norm and the throw-it-over-the-wall process had mostly died out.

gaius 9y ago
As a developer this is exactly what I want That's refreshing to hear. I've done both jobs, and I'll tell you what I've observed: if you were to go over to a developer and say "there's a bug in the program" they would look at you as if you were an idiot. What program? And when you do what? But that same developer will go to ops and say "the server is slow", seemingly entirely unaware that the person they are talking to supports hundreds of apps running across thousands of servers. I think many developers are in for a bit of a surprise when they discover DevOps means "you do ops too now".