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While this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15004138 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15004138 gets flagged instantly, that rises to the top? Google, HN

While this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15004138 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15004138 gets flagged instantly, that rises to the top? Google, HN, New York Times, Gizmodo -- who else? Stand up and be counted.

KirinDave 9y ago
This is off-topic but I figured I'd let you know: I flagged the post you linked, without coordination from others, for being derivative and lacking in any new content, perspectives or even a novel presentation. I am sure that other people flagged it too. I am not a big fan of this piece for its inaccuracy, but at least it brings some new subjects and perspectives so I can't find a reason to flag it other than my exhaustion with the subject (which is, of course, insufficient). Why would you blame HN here? The post had 8 points on a midday Sunday.
- thinkfurther 9y ago
  Because that's the pattern I noticed in the last few days (or maybe I missed the good discussions that were had previously of which this is a repeat?). For example, as I pointed out here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14997068 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14997068 > Yesterday, this had 156 and 101 comments points after 4 hours, and had been sunk like a brick to place 46 on page two (which I now realize should have read "156 points and 101 comments") How about flagging things that absolutely don't belong on the site, and simply not upvoting things you don't find very good? edit: I mean, especially in the context of a guy writing a memo the "larger point" of which is to not silence people who aren't ultra-aligned, to have free discourse about ideas and how to make Google and the situation for women at Google better, getting fired for that and then HN being filled with people distorting what he wrote, while "journalists" do the same. And yes, it's getting upvotes, too, people do want to discuss it, it's just that others don't want to let them. This is an outright attack. This is another move of sociopath social engineers testing the limits of what they can get away with, and just like with Appelbaum, HN fucking FAILS. It's not about "content", at most about the content of the personalities of the people involved.
  - KirinDave 9y ago
    For comment points dropping and rising, I am not positive on this but what I've heard is that we're sometimes witnessing fake accounts get banned off the site and their votes being retracted. I've had bug negative votes on posts suddenly pop back up almost instantly. In threads on this subject, it happens an awful lot. I suspect people are availing themselves of various vote purchasing schemes to amplify their points.
    - thinkfurther 9y ago
      That wasn't about points dropping and rising, it was about a story that would without flags be square on page one clearly being sunk with flags. It was in neighbourhood of stories with either much less points, or that were lots older. Once a month I think of making a scaper just to detect this, to filter out the interesting stories automatically, if you will. The ones that are clearly not spam or such, but still get dropped like a hot potato.
      - KirinDave 9y ago
        Well I can't speak to other people's actions, only mine. When a story is small and it's submitter is of medium karma it doesn't take many flags. I have had many arguments with the mods over my years here and we still have our disagreements, but I don't see them nuke things often. I see vote and flag manipulations a lot.
        thinkfurther 9y ago
        Oh, I absolutely didn't mean to imply that HN mods intervened manually. They're just not intervening to keep people from keeping others from having a discussion, either.

KirinDave 9y ago

This is off-topic but I figured I'd let you know: I flagged the post you linked, without coordination from others, for being derivative and lacking in any new content, perspectives or even a novel presentation. I am sure that other people flagged it too. I am not a big fan of this piece for its inaccuracy, but at least it brings some new subjects and perspectives so I can't find a reason to flag it other than my exhaustion with the subject (which is, of course, insufficient). Why would you blame HN here? The post had 8 points on a midday Sunday.

thinkfurther 9y ago
Because that's the pattern I noticed in the last few days (or maybe I missed the good discussions that were had previously of which this is a repeat?). For example, as I pointed out here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14997068 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14997068 > Yesterday, this had 156 and 101 comments points after 4 hours, and had been sunk like a brick to place 46 on page two (which I now realize should have read "156 points and 101 comments") How about flagging things that absolutely don't belong on the site, and simply not upvoting things you don't find very good? edit: I mean, especially in the context of a guy writing a memo the "larger point" of which is to not silence people who aren't ultra-aligned, to have free discourse about ideas and how to make Google and the situation for women at Google better, getting fired for that and then HN being filled with people distorting what he wrote, while "journalists" do the same. And yes, it's getting upvotes, too, people do want to discuss it, it's just that others don't want to let them. This is an outright attack. This is another move of sociopath social engineers testing the limits of what they can get away with, and just like with Appelbaum, HN fucking FAILS. It's not about "content", at most about the content of the personalities of the people involved.
- KirinDave 9y ago
  For comment points dropping and rising, I am not positive on this but what I've heard is that we're sometimes witnessing fake accounts get banned off the site and their votes being retracted. I've had bug negative votes on posts suddenly pop back up almost instantly. In threads on this subject, it happens an awful lot. I suspect people are availing themselves of various vote purchasing schemes to amplify their points.
  - thinkfurther 9y ago
    That wasn't about points dropping and rising, it was about a story that would without flags be square on page one clearly being sunk with flags. It was in neighbourhood of stories with either much less points, or that were lots older. Once a month I think of making a scaper just to detect this, to filter out the interesting stories automatically, if you will. The ones that are clearly not spam or such, but still get dropped like a hot potato.
    - KirinDave 9y ago
      Well I can't speak to other people's actions, only mine. When a story is small and it's submitter is of medium karma it doesn't take many flags. I have had many arguments with the mods over my years here and we still have our disagreements, but I don't see them nuke things often. I see vote and flag manipulations a lot.
      - thinkfurther 9y ago
        Oh, I absolutely didn't mean to imply that HN mods intervened manually. They're just not intervening to keep people from keeping others from having a discussion, either.