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I just wish apple would stop breaking gdb every release. They need to make up their mind on whether OS X is a general purpose OS intended for developer use or i

by dman 9y ago

I just wish apple would stop breaking gdb every release. They need to make up their mind on whether OS X is a general purpose OS intended for developer use or if its just a locked down version of iOS which runs on larger devices.

pjmlp 9y ago
It intended for OS X and iOS developers, which use the official supported debugger, lldb.
- dman 9y ago
  In other words writing systems software for OS X if you are not employed by Apple is a fools errand?
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    No, a fools errand is to buy a Mac and use GNU/Linux tooling instead of the official OS X SDK tooling. GDB stop being part of the official modern SDKs quite long time ago.
    - dman 9y ago
      I understand that gdb is not part of the official SDK. I would expect an OS in widespread use to not break userspace and when it does, take substantial remedial action to fix / patch widely used applications.
      - pjmlp 9y ago
        The onus is on gdb developers to keep up with the OS API changes, not the other way around.
        dman 9y ago
        If the changes are well documented and communicated ahead of time, then sure I agree with you. Am also curious now what Apple uses to run cloud services - ie do they use OSX as a server operating system themselves.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        Well, https://www.apple.com/macos/server/ https://www.apple.com/macos/server/
        dman 9y ago
        Gives a fairly balanced view of the picture - http://www.infoworld.com/article/2988096/mac-os-x/sorry-unix-fans-os-x-el-capitan-kills-root.html http://www.infoworld.com/article/2988096/mac-os-x/sorry-unix... .
        pjmlp 9y ago
        OS X isn't the first UNIX to have a constrained root. Safety conscious UNIXes like Tru64 did it first.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        As I can not edit my comment any longer, examples how Tru64 made use of Security Integration Architecture, are described on the "Security Programming" guide, http://h41361.www4.hpe.com/docs/base_doc/DOCUMENTATION/V51B_ACRO_DUX/ARSFDATE.PDF http://h41361.www4.hpe.com/docs/base_doc/DOCUMENTATION/V51B_...

by dman 9y ago

pjmlp 9y ago

It intended for OS X and iOS developers, which use the official supported debugger, lldb.

dman 9y ago
In other words writing systems software for OS X if you are not employed by Apple is a fools errand?
- pjmlp 9y ago
  No, a fools errand is to buy a Mac and use GNU/Linux tooling instead of the official OS X SDK tooling. GDB stop being part of the official modern SDKs quite long time ago.
  - dman 9y ago
    I understand that gdb is not part of the official SDK. I would expect an OS in widespread use to not break userspace and when it does, take substantial remedial action to fix / patch widely used applications.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      The onus is on gdb developers to keep up with the OS API changes, not the other way around.
      - dman 9y ago
        If the changes are well documented and communicated ahead of time, then sure I agree with you. Am also curious now what Apple uses to run cloud services - ie do they use OSX as a server operating system themselves.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        Well, https://www.apple.com/macos/server/ https://www.apple.com/macos/server/
      - dman 9y ago
        Gives a fairly balanced view of the picture - http://www.infoworld.com/article/2988096/mac-os-x/sorry-unix-fans-os-x-el-capitan-kills-root.html http://www.infoworld.com/article/2988096/mac-os-x/sorry-unix... .
        pjmlp 9y ago
        OS X isn't the first UNIX to have a constrained root. Safety conscious UNIXes like Tru64 did it first.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        As I can not edit my comment any longer, examples how Tru64 made use of Security Integration Architecture, are described on the "Security Programming" guide, http://h41361.www4.hpe.com/docs/base_doc/DOCUMENTATION/V51B_ACRO_DUX/ARSFDATE.PDF http://h41361.www4.hpe.com/docs/base_doc/DOCUMENTATION/V51B_...