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What kind of world have we created where we fear being liberated from the need to work?
by rorykoehler 9y ago
What kind of world have we created where we fear being liberated from the need to work?
- Encounter 9y agoOne where we still need to work to live.
- cmrdporcupine 9y agoAlmost like the fundamental problem is --and always has been -- the nature of the ownership of the means of production.
- brianshaler 9y ago"liberated from the need to work" is an interesting way to say "unemployment" The kind of world we have created is one where one must create value in order to have food & shelter. Automation simply funnels more and more of the value created into the pockets of fewer and fewer individuals.
- JauntTrooper 9y agoIt reminds me of this article: http://www.theonion.com/article/ibm-emancipates-8000-wage-slaves-806 http://www.theonion.com/article/ibm-emancipates-8000-wage-sl...
- TaylorAlexander 9y agoThere is a way to use automation to liberate people. It is my life's work (in progress) to figure out how to do this. To me, this comes when we make automated machines whose purpose is to provide for human survival, and we make those machines open source. Groups of people purchase the machines, and through ownership they receive the benefits of automation rather than an elite ownership class. I've written several essays on the topic on my website, and have a discussion board where people can discuss the ideas in more detail. You may enjoy reading The Machine: http://tlalexander.com/machine/ http://tlalexander.com/machine/ Or The Corporation: http://tlalexander.com/corporation/ http://tlalexander.com/corporation/
- gameshot911 9y agoEventually things will restructure so that the wealth of automation is redistributed. Not 100%, risk takers should still be rewarded. But something like universal income. The transition will be tumultuous though, as most transitions are.
- valesco 9y agoThey won't be liberated from work, they will just be deprived of their revenue. If there is a famine and you find yourself starving, would you say that you are liberated from the need to eat?
- djsumdog 9y agoWell then we need to get away from the idea of work and revenue. We need new economies where automation helps us all work less and still survive and contribute things to society. We need less of the consumerism cycle.
- intended 9y agothe world where you have no value if you dont "add value". the market decides your worth, and unless you have something to offer, you get nothing in return. which means work is going to be critical.
- noonespecial 9y agoThe one where one guy owns everything and no one at all "needs" to work... or eat.
- fullshark 9y agoA world where you and your family's livelihood is tied to your ability to get a job.
- djsumdog 9y agoThere were people in the 50s/60s who though that by 2000 we'd be working 30 hour work weeks and retiring by 45. The dream was that automation would help us work less and live more. Today work is tied to our identity in many countries. "What do you do?" is a question asking about career. If you don't work, you must be lazy. The solution isn't more jobs to make more things to keep us in the production cycle. Things should last longer. Cellphones should last six years, not two. When Intel posts a loss, it should be taken as a sign they produced chips so well that replacements aren't necessary. This gets into a much much bigger problem of money, value, debt, consumerism and planned obsolescence. Ultimately if humanity is to survive another 10,000 years, we're going to need some pretty big paradigm shifts.
- remir 9y agoWe're now living in a crashing world. There's too many people, we're consuming resources at an alarming pace, the environment is getting trashed. Things will get ugly before there can be a significant paradigm shift.
- sixQuarks 9y agoKeep in mind Elon is in favor of basic minimum income. My guess would be he would favor Tesla paying a large percentage of any savings achieved through automation to employees who are displaced. A major benefit of automation is predictability, much higher throughput, and quality - cost savings is icing on the cake.
- lumberjack 9y agoThe problem is that in our economic system, there is no such thing as "we".
- psyc 9y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_rights_(economics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_rights_(economics)
- maxxxxx 9y agoIn the current system we would be liberated from a livelihood which is something to fear if you are not independently wealthy.