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Some improvement over 5-6 years seems to be weak to make an argument about one therapy to help imho, since your body heals by itself over time, like in my case.

Some improvement over 5-6 years seems to be weak to make an argument about one therapy to help imho, since your body heals by itself over time, like in my case. What are your main symptoms if I may ask?

tomhoward 9y ago
Some improvement over 5-6 years seems to be weak to make an argument about one therapy to help imho, since your body heals by itself over time, like in my case. Sure. You might appreciate that I've become accustomed to hearing that. It's OK, I'm happy to elaborate. In my case, I can observe a steady/accelerating progression of ill-health from as young as 5-10, with some dramatic intensifications of symptoms that coincided with traumatic experiences during adolescence, and continuing worsening of symptoms over 25-30 years, right up until about 4 years ago (I'm now 40) - even after about 6-7 years of trying various mainstream (antidepressants is pretty much all they could offer) and natural treatments (paleo diet, regular cardio exercise and weights training, supplements, detox, yoga, meditation). For me the pattern is clear: 25-30 of years of worsening of symptoms to a point of being extremely debilitated, the last 6-7 of those years making concerted (indeed, desperate) efforts to get well. Only after I discovered and started implementing subconscious healing practices did the decline start to slow, then turn around. It's now about 3 years since I bottomed out, and my energy is better than it's been since adolescence, and better than most people I know of a similar age. What are your main symptoms if I may ask? The symptoms I've had are many of those from the Phoenix Rising CFS/ME Symptoms page [1]: - ‘Post-exertional fatigue/malaise’ - ‘Brain fog’ - ‘Wired But Tired fatigue’ - Nervous System Symptoms: low blood pressure, dizziness, headaches, breathing dysregulation (short breath, asthma), digestive issues - Hormonal Type Symptoms: low body temperature, anxiety/panic attacks, sugar/carb/alcohol intolerance - Immune System Symptoms: tender/swollen lymph nodes, muscle and joint pains, sensitivities to foods, chemicals. [1] http://phoenixrising.me/mecfs-basics/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-mecfs-symptoms-2 http://phoenixrising.me/mecfs-basics/chronic-fatigue-syndrom...
- tomhoward 9y ago
  I should add, and indeed emphasise: it's not "one therapy"; it's various different therapies, practices, exercises, etc, all with the objective of relieving trauma and de-activating chronically active stress/fear/anxiety mechanisms in the body.
- wellboy 9y ago
  Hm interesting. About your post exertional malaise, how much can you do until you feel malaise for several days or weeks?
  - tomhoward 9y ago
    I don't get post-exertional malaise now at all. I regularly do high-intensity spin cycling ("Soul-cycle" style, which activates the adrenals very significantly) and don't get malaise. I've also done plenty of weights training and jogging (up to 10km/6mi), over the past year, and again, post-exertional malaise is just never an issue. Up until about 3 years ago, a solid weight training session (squat/bench/deadlift) would have me overstimulated and unable to sleep that night, then crashing for 7-10 days.
    - wellboy 9y ago
      Oh, then it really seems to work. When you said "crashing for 7-10 day", what does that mean. Did you have a lot of pain and fatigue unable to get out of bed for a whole week and were you completely recovered after that week again?

tomhoward 9y ago

Some improvement over 5-6 years seems to be weak to make an argument about one therapy to help imho, since your body heals by itself over time, like in my case. Sure. You might appreciate that I've become accustomed to hearing that. It's OK, I'm happy to elaborate. In my case, I can observe a steady/accelerating progression of ill-health from as young as 5-10, with some dramatic intensifications of symptoms that coincided with traumatic experiences during adolescence, and continuing worsening of symptoms over 25-30 years, right up until about 4 years ago (I'm now 40) - even after about 6-7 years of trying various mainstream (antidepressants is pretty much all they could offer) and natural treatments (paleo diet, regular cardio exercise and weights training, supplements, detox, yoga, meditation). For me the pattern is clear: 25-30 of years of worsening of symptoms to a point of being extremely debilitated, the last 6-7 of those years making concerted (indeed, desperate) efforts to get well. Only after I discovered and started implementing subconscious healing practices did the decline start to slow, then turn around. It's now about 3 years since I bottomed out, and my energy is better than it's been since adolescence, and better than most people I know of a similar age. What are your main symptoms if I may ask? The symptoms I've had are many of those from the Phoenix Rising CFS/ME Symptoms page [1]: - ‘Post-exertional fatigue/malaise’ - ‘Brain fog’ - ‘Wired But Tired fatigue’ - Nervous System Symptoms: low blood pressure, dizziness, headaches, breathing dysregulation (short breath, asthma), digestive issues - Hormonal Type Symptoms: low body temperature, anxiety/panic attacks, sugar/carb/alcohol intolerance - Immune System Symptoms: tender/swollen lymph nodes, muscle and joint pains, sensitivities to foods, chemicals. [1] http://phoenixrising.me/mecfs-basics/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-mecfs-symptoms-2 http://phoenixrising.me/mecfs-basics/chronic-fatigue-syndrom...

tomhoward 9y ago
I should add, and indeed emphasise: it's not "one therapy"; it's various different therapies, practices, exercises, etc, all with the objective of relieving trauma and de-activating chronically active stress/fear/anxiety mechanisms in the body.
wellboy 9y ago
Hm interesting. About your post exertional malaise, how much can you do until you feel malaise for several days or weeks?
- tomhoward 9y ago
  I don't get post-exertional malaise now at all. I regularly do high-intensity spin cycling ("Soul-cycle" style, which activates the adrenals very significantly) and don't get malaise. I've also done plenty of weights training and jogging (up to 10km/6mi), over the past year, and again, post-exertional malaise is just never an issue. Up until about 3 years ago, a solid weight training session (squat/bench/deadlift) would have me overstimulated and unable to sleep that night, then crashing for 7-10 days.
  - wellboy 9y ago
    Oh, then it really seems to work. When you said "crashing for 7-10 day", what does that mean. Did you have a lot of pain and fatigue unable to get out of bed for a whole week and were you completely recovered after that week again?