I downvoted because I _knew_ the words patriarchy and feminism would derail the conversation and hoped to bury your post before it could. Just like it's annoyi

I downvoted because I _knew_ the words patriarchy and feminism would derail the conversation and hoped to bury your post before it could. Just like it's annoying for someone to chime in with "what about men's XYZ!" in a conversation explicitly about women, it's annoying for the inverse to happen. While you're 100% right and gender roles (patriarchy) mean we're actually having the same conversation I would love to be able to have those two conversations independently without descending in to whattaboutism and explicitly gendered language.