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The root cause of depression is chemical not psychological. It's a natural process and everybody gets depressed sometimes. If you get depressed, you can fix it

The root cause of depression is chemical not psychological. It's a natural process and everybody gets depressed sometimes. If you get depressed, you can fix it by behaving like a normal person following normal person schedules and doing normal person things like sports and eating good food. Well... unless you can't because you're really sick and not just depressed. Those with CFS have tried following the recipy of getting cured and failed. Time and time again. Sometimes they succeed for no good reason but mostly after some time of being normal it all falls apart again.

vivekd 9y ago
See, I don't know how meaningful the chemical not psychological distinction is. I mean doesn't every thing we feel have chemical components?
- static_noise 9y ago
  What chemical corresponds to the mental picture of a cat? Sure, they are heavily interrelated. They are vastly different models of the same thing. While we can understand some processes simply by chemistry, we don't get too far with that when trying to understand social behavior. On the other hand psychology can model processes and behaviors on another level. Sometimes they overlap well but far too seldom. They will probably not converge well in our lifetime because we are really slow in understanding of complex interrelated systems and cannot make all the experiments we need to quickly advance scientifically.
jamestnz 9y ago
>The root cause of depression is chemical I wonder if you were speaking generally here, or if you were referring specifically to the Chemical Imbalance theory of depression/anxiety. Often espoused by the marketing departments of Big Pharma, and by now firmly lodged in the public consciousness, the idea that abnormal monoamine levels (e.g. serotonin, noradrenaline) in the brain causes depression, is (to say the least) highly controversial. Some might even call it "debunked". Or, more charitably perhaps, just a highly persistent meme that's never really had much to do with science from the get-go. BTW, I say this as someone who saw successful results using SSRIs (Citalopram) as a treatment for depression some years ago. Given that the relationship between serotonin and depression seems subtle, indirect, and poorly understood at best, I don't pretend to be able to explain why SSRI treatment "worked" for me! Placebo? Coincidence? Genuine effect which empirically exists but we do not yet understand the mechanism (a bit like lithium)?
- static_noise 9y ago
  The problem with those cures might be that they modify one measurable imbalance but there may be many more and that imbalance might only be a symptom of something else. Also, people differ in the ways and rates they process chemicals. Using those poorly understood pills is akin to hitting it with a hammer and hoping it starts working again.
  - jamestnz 9y ago
    I agree with you - from a theoretical perspective, it seems pretty crazy to be taking pills that alter the brain chemistry when we don't fully understand the effects those changes might have. But the strange fact is that SSRI therapy does seem to help with depression in many people, just as lithium seems to help with mood even though we don't completely understand why. With the example of serotonin, even though the SSRI effects serotonin levels almost immediately, it can take several weeks for depressive symptoms to improve. Therefore it is unlikely that inhibiting serotonin transport alone accounts for the anti-depressive effect. It has more recently been theorised that the strong anti-inflammatory effect of SSRIs may be involved, as depression is increasingly known to be related to chronic inflammation. Lastly I'm pretty skeptical about "imbalances" altogether (though I took it for granted at the time). For example, when I and others have been prescribed SSRIs, there have generally been no medical tests given first which might detect or confirm any such imbalance. In fact I'm not even sure such a test is possible. Instead, they give the pills out solely on the basis of a personal report from the patient, which the physician interprets to indicate depression.

vivekd 9y ago

See, I don't know how meaningful the chemical not psychological distinction is. I mean doesn't every thing we feel have chemical components?

static_noise 9y ago
What chemical corresponds to the mental picture of a cat? Sure, they are heavily interrelated. They are vastly different models of the same thing. While we can understand some processes simply by chemistry, we don't get too far with that when trying to understand social behavior. On the other hand psychology can model processes and behaviors on another level. Sometimes they overlap well but far too seldom. They will probably not converge well in our lifetime because we are really slow in understanding of complex interrelated systems and cannot make all the experiments we need to quickly advance scientifically.

jamestnz 9y ago

>The root cause of depression is chemical I wonder if you were speaking generally here, or if you were referring specifically to the Chemical Imbalance theory of depression/anxiety. Often espoused by the marketing departments of Big Pharma, and by now firmly lodged in the public consciousness, the idea that abnormal monoamine levels (e.g. serotonin, noradrenaline) in the brain causes depression, is (to say the least) highly controversial. Some might even call it "debunked". Or, more charitably perhaps, just a highly persistent meme that's never really had much to do with science from the get-go. BTW, I say this as someone who saw successful results using SSRIs (Citalopram) as a treatment for depression some years ago. Given that the relationship between serotonin and depression seems subtle, indirect, and poorly understood at best, I don't pretend to be able to explain why SSRI treatment "worked" for me! Placebo? Coincidence? Genuine effect which empirically exists but we do not yet understand the mechanism (a bit like lithium)?

static_noise 9y ago
The problem with those cures might be that they modify one measurable imbalance but there may be many more and that imbalance might only be a symptom of something else. Also, people differ in the ways and rates they process chemicals. Using those poorly understood pills is akin to hitting it with a hammer and hoping it starts working again.
- jamestnz 9y ago
  I agree with you - from a theoretical perspective, it seems pretty crazy to be taking pills that alter the brain chemistry when we don't fully understand the effects those changes might have. But the strange fact is that SSRI therapy does seem to help with depression in many people, just as lithium seems to help with mood even though we don't completely understand why. With the example of serotonin, even though the SSRI effects serotonin levels almost immediately, it can take several weeks for depressive symptoms to improve. Therefore it is unlikely that inhibiting serotonin transport alone accounts for the anti-depressive effect. It has more recently been theorised that the strong anti-inflammatory effect of SSRIs may be involved, as depression is increasingly known to be related to chronic inflammation. Lastly I'm pretty skeptical about "imbalances" altogether (though I took it for granted at the time). For example, when I and others have been prescribed SSRIs, there have generally been no medical tests given first which might detect or confirm any such imbalance. In fact I'm not even sure such a test is possible. Instead, they give the pills out solely on the basis of a personal report from the patient, which the physician interprets to indicate depression.