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As someone who suspects I may at least somewhat suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, you're... not even all that wrong. I know that science is now saying that

As someone who suspects I may at least somewhat suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, you're... not even all that wrong. I know that science is now saying that "decision fatigue" doesn't exist, but I think they measured the wrong thing. It's straight up "give a fuck fatigue". It isn't work that does it to me; I can go to work, enjoy work, get enough shit done that the money keeps coming in and my customers are happy with the service I provide. You know what drains me? The boringness of being an adult and having nothing to actually really look forwards to. Sometimes I'll sleep 10 hours straight and get up tired. Sometimes I have to do the mental equivalent of grinding my transmission gears because I'm not paying attention to the clutch, so the flow state never, well, flows. The mindless activities are hard to concentrate on, but they need to be done, so I exert far more give-a-fuck-ium than I should have to. And the thing is, I've always been this way. I didn't become this way, I didn't slowly turn into this, I didn't become burned out. It's part of me. I mean, I'm most certainly an introvert, so are a lot of the HN community; being with people in social situations are extremely taxing at times... it, too, burns a lot of my precious give-a-fuck-ium. You know what recharges me? Having a good time with someone I know, where we both enjoy each other's company, where its a nice relaxed thing where neither of us have anything to prove to the other. Problem is, women are people too. I mean, we're a male-centric community here, we work in male-centric environments, sometimes people like us forget... women have all the same problems we do. They have just as many problems connecting as we do., and we keep circling around in these holding patterns and just grinding their gears because they never find that one person to connect with just as we can't. You can't just give someone that beautiful woman. They need the right beautiful woman. I think the problem that keeps happening for a lot of us is we keep finding the wrong women... not bad women, just wrong for us. It really throws a wrench in things because humans seem to need those close relationships with others to function properly, and we're not making them... and it's sapping our ability to regenerate our give-a-fuck-ium.

wellboy 9y ago
That doesn't sound like CFS though. If you have CFS, working for a few hours or jogging for a few mins, leaves you in pain and fatigue for weeks. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is also a very bad name, because many patients don't have fatigue, but they have very high exercise intolerance (jogging for a few mins leaves you bedridden). That's why the current discussion is to rename it to S.E.I.D (Systemic Exercise Intolerance Disease). Yours sounds like a mild depression, which can be easily treated through therapy or anti-depressants if needed. But I would see a doctor before of course.
- DiabloD3 9y ago
  Interesting you mention the exercise part. Exercise didn't cause pain for me, but was mentally and physically draining to the point that I just didn't do it. It wasn't until I radically modified my diet (hello Paleo) until that slowly lifted and now I'm at least mostly functional there. See my story (somewhere in my comments history on here) about when I used to weigh 340 pounds and then via changing what I ate, not how much, I hit 184, and exercise suddenly wasn't this insanely fatiguing bullshit. Notice: being overweight isn't what caused it, I wasn't nearly that fat when I was a kid, and you couldn't get me to do shit when I was a kid. I don't disagree with what I said being a form mild depression, but it doesn't really fit the definition of it. Antidepressants are also a really bad way of treating depression and ignore your brain's own mechanisms to alleviate depression. Problem is, it seems CFS and depression go hand in hand.
  - wellboy 9y ago
    The difficulty of dealing with CFS might cause depression, but apart from that depression does not have to do anything with CFS. Anti-depressant and psycho-therapy are the two best treatments for depression though, everything else is just experimental. Why do you think that mild depression does not fit the symptoms? In its early stages, you only have lack of drive and 2 more of its 7 side symptoms. (these are the diagnosis criteria for mild depression, look it up)
0xcde4c3db 9y ago
> I know that science is now saying that "decision fatigue" doesn't exist Do you have any references? I'm only aware of studies falsifying the model of it as a consequence of "ego depletion" or linking it specifically to glucose, not debunking the phenomenon altogether.

wellboy 9y ago

That doesn't sound like CFS though. If you have CFS, working for a few hours or jogging for a few mins, leaves you in pain and fatigue for weeks. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is also a very bad name, because many patients don't have fatigue, but they have very high exercise intolerance (jogging for a few mins leaves you bedridden). That's why the current discussion is to rename it to S.E.I.D (Systemic Exercise Intolerance Disease). Yours sounds like a mild depression, which can be easily treated through therapy or anti-depressants if needed. But I would see a doctor before of course.

DiabloD3 9y ago
Interesting you mention the exercise part. Exercise didn't cause pain for me, but was mentally and physically draining to the point that I just didn't do it. It wasn't until I radically modified my diet (hello Paleo) until that slowly lifted and now I'm at least mostly functional there. See my story (somewhere in my comments history on here) about when I used to weigh 340 pounds and then via changing what I ate, not how much, I hit 184, and exercise suddenly wasn't this insanely fatiguing bullshit. Notice: being overweight isn't what caused it, I wasn't nearly that fat when I was a kid, and you couldn't get me to do shit when I was a kid. I don't disagree with what I said being a form mild depression, but it doesn't really fit the definition of it. Antidepressants are also a really bad way of treating depression and ignore your brain's own mechanisms to alleviate depression. Problem is, it seems CFS and depression go hand in hand.
- wellboy 9y ago
  The difficulty of dealing with CFS might cause depression, but apart from that depression does not have to do anything with CFS. Anti-depressant and psycho-therapy are the two best treatments for depression though, everything else is just experimental. Why do you think that mild depression does not fit the symptoms? In its early stages, you only have lack of drive and 2 more of its 7 side symptoms. (these are the diagnosis criteria for mild depression, look it up)

0xcde4c3db 9y ago

> I know that science is now saying that "decision fatigue" doesn't exist Do you have any references? I'm only aware of studies falsifying the model of it as a consequence of "ego depletion" or linking it specifically to glucose, not debunking the phenomenon altogether.