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> It's unbelievable that in 2017, in a field that is vastly dominated by males, someone would have the gall to claim "trying to introduce more diversity is repr

by fche 9y ago

> It's unbelievable that in 2017, in a field that is vastly dominated by males, someone would have the gall to claim "trying to introduce more diversity is repression." From the point of view of a young white male fresh out of school, to hold them back for no other reason than a female PoC is deemed more diversically attractive, is indeed repression.

dguaraglia 9y ago
Do you realize how hypocritical your position is? You are OK with a woman not being hired because of gender bias - which exists right now, instead of in a potential future imagined by Damore - as long as you get hired. In other words: let's not solve the current problems, just so that we introduce one that might potentially affect you. Nice.
- Chris2048 9y ago
  > a woman not being hired because of gender bias - which exists right now Proof/citations please. And with "concrete numbers" - if you are going to correct for bias, you need to know its magnitude.
  - dguaraglia 9y ago
    Easy: people like Damore exist. You exist. With people like you in the field, it's clear that there's a segment of the population who is OK to apply gender bias. Concrete numbers? Just look at the current 80%/20% division. Considering people like Damore exist, it's fair to assume that at least a >0% skew exists because of gender bias. But don't take it from me, just go ask any woman o(even the ones that Damore mentions in his memo.) Next question? (BTW, what a ridiculous argument you are trying to make. Even Damore, who you take as an eminent authority in the subject, admits there's gender bias in the industry.)
    - Chris2048 9y ago
      > people like Damore Whatever. When facts fail, thrown around labels and malicious speculation. > people like you in the field ... OK to apply gender bias > Even Damore ... admits there's gender bias in the industry Please provide quotes for either me or Damore being in favor of some kind of "[application] of gender bias". Or that where I claim there is no gender bias? Please drop that strawman. > it's fair to assume that at least a >0% skew exists because of gender bias. And Where does Damore claim there is no gender bias? Other than right at the beginning where he says "I am not denying sexism exists". > go ask any woman seriously.. > what a ridiculous argument you are trying to make Well, you are the eminent authority of ridiculous arguments.
      - dguaraglia 9y ago
        > Please provide quotes for either me or Damore being in favor of some kind of "[application] of gender bias". Supporting the completely out of whack status quo is enough. I know, next up you'll say "I never said I support the status quo!". Because that's what you do. > > go ask any woman > seriously.. Seriously. How many female engineers do you work with on a day-to-day basis? How many do you know outside of work? Ask them about their experiences with sexual harassment or gender stereotyping. Every woman I know who works in tech has had to deal with some of it at some point or the other. > Well, you are the eminent authority of ridiculous arguments. At leas I have arguments, you have none.

by fche 9y ago

dguaraglia 9y ago

Do you realize how hypocritical your position is? You are OK with a woman not being hired because of gender bias - which exists right now, instead of in a potential future imagined by Damore - as long as you get hired. In other words: let's not solve the current problems, just so that we introduce one that might potentially affect you. Nice.

Chris2048 9y ago
> a woman not being hired because of gender bias - which exists right now Proof/citations please. And with "concrete numbers" - if you are going to correct for bias, you need to know its magnitude.
- dguaraglia 9y ago
  Easy: people like Damore exist. You exist. With people like you in the field, it's clear that there's a segment of the population who is OK to apply gender bias. Concrete numbers? Just look at the current 80%/20% division. Considering people like Damore exist, it's fair to assume that at least a >0% skew exists because of gender bias. But don't take it from me, just go ask any woman o(even the ones that Damore mentions in his memo.) Next question? (BTW, what a ridiculous argument you are trying to make. Even Damore, who you take as an eminent authority in the subject, admits there's gender bias in the industry.)
  - Chris2048 9y ago
    > people like Damore Whatever. When facts fail, thrown around labels and malicious speculation. > people like you in the field ... OK to apply gender bias > Even Damore ... admits there's gender bias in the industry Please provide quotes for either me or Damore being in favor of some kind of "[application] of gender bias". Or that where I claim there is no gender bias? Please drop that strawman. > it's fair to assume that at least a >0% skew exists because of gender bias. And Where does Damore claim there is no gender bias? Other than right at the beginning where he says "I am not denying sexism exists". > go ask any woman seriously.. > what a ridiculous argument you are trying to make Well, you are the eminent authority of ridiculous arguments.
    - dguaraglia 9y ago
      > Please provide quotes for either me or Damore being in favor of some kind of "[application] of gender bias". Supporting the completely out of whack status quo is enough. I know, next up you'll say "I never said I support the status quo!". Because that's what you do. > > go ask any woman > seriously.. Seriously. How many female engineers do you work with on a day-to-day basis? How many do you know outside of work? Ask them about their experiences with sexual harassment or gender stereotyping. Every woman I know who works in tech has had to deal with some of it at some point or the other. > Well, you are the eminent authority of ridiculous arguments. At leas I have arguments, you have none.