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Couldn't agree more. I'd like to see this go even further and have nothing bundled. I much rather pay straight up for the shows I'm watching than get some bundl

Couldn't agree more. I'd like to see this go even further and have nothing bundled. I much rather pay straight up for the shows I'm watching than get some bundle. Many shows are about $20 on Amazon or Play which is totally reasonable; you end up owning it and only pay for what you want. That's the model I like best. Unlikely to get everyone on that boat though. EDIT: typos

hamandcheese 9y ago
Hasn't that model existed for a while now?
- ajmurmann 9y ago
  Yes, but lots of content cannot be accessed that way. Especially not live sports events.
LeoPanthera 9y ago
Can you download the video files for the shows you buy, DRM-free? If not, you don't "own" them at all. The encryption on DVD and blu-ray discs is easily broken, so that's still a reasonable way to "own" your favorite shows. As far as I know, 4K blu-ray hasn't been cracked yet, so avoid those.
- rdtsc 9y ago
  I've heard it here on HN that some buy the show then just pirate it when they watch it. Just because pirated content has a uniform interface, and a better overall user experience.
  - CaptSpify 9y ago
    I hear that too, and I mostly agree with doing it, but I kind of feel it's a problem: It tells amazon "Oh, sure, your system is fine, I don't mind paying for DRM!" when in reality we shouldn't encourage DRM. I wish I could go to the studio/artist/creator directly and say "Hey, I would like to pirate your content, here's some money", but outside of Patreon or the like, there's usually not an option to do that.
    - dageshi 9y ago
      I've no doubt if amazon could just sell the raw file they would. It's rights holders who demand DRM and if amazon refuses itunes or someone else will happily step in and provide it.
      - jpindar 9y ago
        And in fact Amazon does sell music like that, as downloadable mp3s.
  - kyriakos 9y ago
    I actually do that, I have legal access to Game of Thrones on cable but I still pirate it cause I want to watch it on the go on my laptop.
    - seanp2k2 9y ago
      Putting the GO in HBO GO. Their naming scheme between HBO NOW and GO is also awful, and they even have separate apps.
      - kyriakos 9y ago
        I am not living in the US so not even HBO Go is an option for me
- askvictor 9y ago
  Mostly I'm only going to watch it once, so I'm happy with a rental model; cheaper as well. And not to different to a streaming approach, but only choosing and paying for what you actually want.
ekianjo 9y ago
you never own anything you buy online these days. its only a license to watch stuff that can be taken from you at any time.
- candiodari 9y ago
  ... but so far no event has made that really clear to the masses. That's coming, of course. Although I must say I have an Apple account and made the mistake of switching countries (dialog box on iPad). Half the shows disappeared. No refund, no way to get them back.
  - ekianjo 9y ago
    Well there was Amazon removing some books once from Kindle accounts, and I think there were already several cases on Steam where a couple of games stopped being available as well. There is no reason why this kind of behavior would end anytime soon, and not spread further. After all, all the EULAs make it very clear the user has no rights at all when it comes to what they purchased. I'd really like stores to remove the term "buy" and replace it by "buy a license" to make it very clear that you never own anything. And on top of that, you can never resell what you buy, so it's definitely NOT ownership in any way.

hamandcheese 9y ago

Hasn't that model existed for a while now?

ajmurmann 9y ago
Yes, but lots of content cannot be accessed that way. Especially not live sports events.

LeoPanthera 9y ago

Can you download the video files for the shows you buy, DRM-free? If not, you don't "own" them at all. The encryption on DVD and blu-ray discs is easily broken, so that's still a reasonable way to "own" your favorite shows. As far as I know, 4K blu-ray hasn't been cracked yet, so avoid those.

rdtsc 9y ago
I've heard it here on HN that some buy the show then just pirate it when they watch it. Just because pirated content has a uniform interface, and a better overall user experience.
- CaptSpify 9y ago
  I hear that too, and I mostly agree with doing it, but I kind of feel it's a problem: It tells amazon "Oh, sure, your system is fine, I don't mind paying for DRM!" when in reality we shouldn't encourage DRM. I wish I could go to the studio/artist/creator directly and say "Hey, I would like to pirate your content, here's some money", but outside of Patreon or the like, there's usually not an option to do that.
  - dageshi 9y ago
    I've no doubt if amazon could just sell the raw file they would. It's rights holders who demand DRM and if amazon refuses itunes or someone else will happily step in and provide it.
    - jpindar 9y ago
      And in fact Amazon does sell music like that, as downloadable mp3s.
- kyriakos 9y ago
  I actually do that, I have legal access to Game of Thrones on cable but I still pirate it cause I want to watch it on the go on my laptop.
  - seanp2k2 9y ago
    Putting the GO in HBO GO. Their naming scheme between HBO NOW and GO is also awful, and they even have separate apps.
    - kyriakos 9y ago
      I am not living in the US so not even HBO Go is an option for me
askvictor 9y ago
Mostly I'm only going to watch it once, so I'm happy with a rental model; cheaper as well. And not to different to a streaming approach, but only choosing and paying for what you actually want.

ekianjo 9y ago

you never own anything you buy online these days. its only a license to watch stuff that can be taken from you at any time.

candiodari 9y ago
... but so far no event has made that really clear to the masses. That's coming, of course. Although I must say I have an Apple account and made the mistake of switching countries (dialog box on iPad). Half the shows disappeared. No refund, no way to get them back.
- ekianjo 9y ago
  Well there was Amazon removing some books once from Kindle accounts, and I think there were already several cases on Steam where a couple of games stopped being available as well. There is no reason why this kind of behavior would end anytime soon, and not spread further. After all, all the EULAs make it very clear the user has no rights at all when it comes to what they purchased. I'd really like stores to remove the term "buy" and replace it by "buy a license" to make it very clear that you never own anything. And on top of that, you can never resell what you buy, so it's definitely NOT ownership in any way.