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I think men in societies where they have eaten tofu for centuries like China, Indonesia and Japan are doing just fine.

by amalag 9y ago

cyanexttuesday 9y ago
I read they don't eat a lot and when they do its fermented. Some scientific studies on soy prep and pseudo estrogen effects would be fascinating.
rgrieselhuber 9y ago
I can't speak for China and Indonesia, but I've lived in Japan for a number of years. Tofu is not super common as a dish, mostly as a filler in small portions of some side dishes.
- hnnsj 9y ago
  What do you have to say to the other two responses that debunk your claim?
  - rgrieselhuber 9y ago
    I'm always willing to look at evidence. I'm a little concerned about the objectivity of the author of the papers linked to.
    - paulcole 9y ago
      You mean as opposed to the 0 papers you cited?
      - rgrieselhuber 9y ago
        Well, yes actually. I've read enough over the years that I personally avoid soy and soy-based products. When it comes up, I explain why. It's not a great accomplishment to link to a paper that performs well in organic search.
        jack9 9y ago
        > It's not a great accomplishment to link to a paper that performs well in organic search. It's a cursory BS test. If the evidence is hard to find, it's generally because there's no evidence available from credible sources. Belief that the truth is out there, is not sufficient anymore. The Cochrane Collaboration has nothing. A google search might lead to the NIH having an article citing "studies" about various related effects, but mostly says nothing and has 0 references. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1480510/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1480510/ But if you search the NIH databases via https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed using (soybean[Title/Abstract]) AND men[Title/Abstract] you'll come across a doctor who wrote this: http://www.jurology.com/article/S0022-5347(11)60100-6/fulltext http://www.jurology.com/article/S0022-5347(11)60100-6/fullte... - admittedly, I don't think it's compelling as a standalone opinion. This is a study, by a relatively small organization is better: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/3/570S.long http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/3/570S.long You might benefit from seeing the evidence in favor of Soy being a serious factor in reducing prostate cancer rates and other such ancillary benefits.
        mustacheemperor 9y ago
        You can read a lot to support nearly any claim, that statement is less valuable evidence than even an actual anecdote. Regardless, surely you'd be able to recall at least one reputable source to serve your "explanation." Why do all the high performing organic search results supporting your claim come from sketchy websites and paranoid blogs? I see the "soy is evil" sentiment come up on hn with some regularity, and I can't understand why because the argument never presents it as more a credible claim than alternative medicines or homeopathy.
anotherbrownguy 9y ago
Yeah, - only some people - occasionally - along with all other types of food making tofu a very small portion of the diet

I think men in societies where they have eaten tofu for centuries like China, Indonesia and Japan are doing just fine.

by amalag 9y ago

I think men in societies where they have eaten tofu for centuries like China, Indonesia and Japan are doing just fine.

I read they don't eat a lot and when they do its fermented. Some scientific studies on soy prep and pseudo estrogen effects would be fascinating.

rgrieselhuber 9y ago

I can't speak for China and Indonesia, but I've lived in Japan for a number of years. Tofu is not super common as a dish, mostly as a filler in small portions of some side dishes.

hnnsj 9y ago
What do you have to say to the other two responses that debunk your claim?
- rgrieselhuber 9y ago
  I'm always willing to look at evidence. I'm a little concerned about the objectivity of the author of the papers linked to.
  - paulcole 9y ago
    You mean as opposed to the 0 papers you cited?
    - rgrieselhuber 9y ago
      Well, yes actually. I've read enough over the years that I personally avoid soy and soy-based products. When it comes up, I explain why. It's not a great accomplishment to link to a paper that performs well in organic search.
      - jack9 9y ago
        > It's not a great accomplishment to link to a paper that performs well in organic search. It's a cursory BS test. If the evidence is hard to find, it's generally because there's no evidence available from credible sources. Belief that the truth is out there, is not sufficient anymore. The Cochrane Collaboration has nothing. A google search might lead to the NIH having an article citing "studies" about various related effects, but mostly says nothing and has 0 references. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1480510/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1480510/ But if you search the NIH databases via https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed using (soybean[Title/Abstract]) AND men[Title/Abstract] you'll come across a doctor who wrote this: http://www.jurology.com/article/S0022-5347(11)60100-6/fulltext http://www.jurology.com/article/S0022-5347(11)60100-6/fullte... - admittedly, I don't think it's compelling as a standalone opinion. This is a study, by a relatively small organization is better: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/3/570S.long http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/3/570S.long You might benefit from seeing the evidence in favor of Soy being a serious factor in reducing prostate cancer rates and other such ancillary benefits.
      - mustacheemperor 9y ago
        You can read a lot to support nearly any claim, that statement is less valuable evidence than even an actual anecdote. Regardless, surely you'd be able to recall at least one reputable source to serve your "explanation." Why do all the high performing organic search results supporting your claim come from sketchy websites and paranoid blogs? I see the "soy is evil" sentiment come up on hn with some regularity, and I can't understand why because the argument never presents it as more a credible claim than alternative medicines or homeopathy.

anotherbrownguy 9y ago

Yeah, - only some people - occasionally - along with all other types of food making tofu a very small portion of the diet