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If only the EFF had bothered to take up such Principled Stances against the prior Administration, which put all this infrastructure in place.

mcone 9y ago
What makes you think they didn't? They were critical of the Obama administration too. Example: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveillance-powers-his-way-out https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveill...
- mikeyouse 9y ago
  They sued repeatedly during his administration too: 2016 - https://www.scmagazine.com/eff-files-amicus-brief-to-persuade-appeals-court-to-hear-wikimedia-v-nsa/article/528815/ https://www.scmagazine.com/eff-files-amicus-brief-to-persuad... 2014 - https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-sues-nsa-director-national-intelligence-zero-day-disclosure-process https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-sues-nsa-director-nat... 2013 - https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/firstunitarianvnsa-final.pdf https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/firstunitar... 2012 - https://www.wired.com/2012/08/eff-spy-documents/ https://www.wired.com/2012/08/eff-spy-documents/ 2011 - https://www.wired.com/2011/12/dragnet-surveillance-case/ https://www.wired.com/2011/12/dragnet-surveillance-case/
  - masonic 9y ago
    1) filing an amicus brief is not "suing" 2) A FOIA case isn't exactly criticizing the administration on policy. 3) 4) and 5) the NSA suit originated against the GW Bush Administration. Quoting their own press release: "Specifically the EFF wants the government to make public a secret court ruling that found that the feds had broken a 2008 wiretapping law that was intended to legalize President George W. Bush's warrantless wiretapping program." To be intellectually honest about the public stances they take on issues they claim to support and rights they claim to defend, compare their press releases[1] from during the Obama Administration versus during the Trump administration (or GWB administration) with respect to identical, specific acts by the Obama administration. Note specifically their silence on Internet Privacy (lost under Obama, then reimplemented in a weaker way and delayed) and on Net Neutrality (also lost under Obama and limited to a half-assed after-the-fact regulation change). [1] https://www.eff.org/updates?type=press_release https://www.eff.org/updates?type=press_release
    - mikeyouse 9y ago
      This is so laughably disingenuous. They were intensely critical of Obama. I'd go on to provide more evidence, but a glance at your history shows that you've been through this several times before, so just use one of the old links: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13982006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13982006
    - omnimus 9y ago
      Go away NSA spy.
- masonic 9y ago
  Only after the New York Times (of all places) reported on it first. And they didn't even bother writing a press release on the subject[1]. [1] https://www.eff.org/updates?type=press_release&page=1 https://www.eff.org/updates?type=press_release&page=1
boomboomsubban 9y ago
This "stance" mentions nothing about any administration, they've held it since PRISM was revealed, and the program started under the Bush administration.
smokeyj 9y ago
I remember saying I hope trump wins so that dragnet surveillance becomes uncool again. Damn that Obama's charisma.
cracell 9y ago
I get what you are saying. A lot of media has been "oh this was fine" under Obama but "oh no this is horrible under Trump". The TPP is an interesting example given a lot of liberal media was very against it until it became a Trump issue and they flipped. However this doesn't apply to the EFF that I've seen. The EFF is very consistent in their principles and they don't play partisan politics. Building cases and maneuvering takes a long time and they have to be efficient with their funding.
phyalow 9y ago
Jewel vs. NSA

mcone 9y ago

What makes you think they didn't? They were critical of the Obama administration too. Example: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveillance-powers-his-way-out https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveill...

mikeyouse 9y ago
They sued repeatedly during his administration too: 2016 - https://www.scmagazine.com/eff-files-amicus-brief-to-persuade-appeals-court-to-hear-wikimedia-v-nsa/article/528815/ https://www.scmagazine.com/eff-files-amicus-brief-to-persuad... 2014 - https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-sues-nsa-director-national-intelligence-zero-day-disclosure-process https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-sues-nsa-director-nat... 2013 - https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/firstunitarianvnsa-final.pdf https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/firstunitar... 2012 - https://www.wired.com/2012/08/eff-spy-documents/ https://www.wired.com/2012/08/eff-spy-documents/ 2011 - https://www.wired.com/2011/12/dragnet-surveillance-case/ https://www.wired.com/2011/12/dragnet-surveillance-case/
- masonic 9y ago
  1) filing an amicus brief is not "suing" 2) A FOIA case isn't exactly criticizing the administration on policy. 3) 4) and 5) the NSA suit originated against the GW Bush Administration. Quoting their own press release: "Specifically the EFF wants the government to make public a secret court ruling that found that the feds had broken a 2008 wiretapping law that was intended to legalize President George W. Bush's warrantless wiretapping program." To be intellectually honest about the public stances they take on issues they claim to support and rights they claim to defend, compare their press releases[1] from during the Obama Administration versus during the Trump administration (or GWB administration) with respect to identical, specific acts by the Obama administration. Note specifically their silence on Internet Privacy (lost under Obama, then reimplemented in a weaker way and delayed) and on Net Neutrality (also lost under Obama and limited to a half-assed after-the-fact regulation change). [1] https://www.eff.org/updates?type=press_release https://www.eff.org/updates?type=press_release
  - mikeyouse 9y ago
    This is so laughably disingenuous. They were intensely critical of Obama. I'd go on to provide more evidence, but a glance at your history shows that you've been through this several times before, so just use one of the old links: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13982006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13982006
  - omnimus 9y ago
    Go away NSA spy.
masonic 9y ago
Only after the New York Times (of all places) reported on it first. And they didn't even bother writing a press release on the subject[1]. [1] https://www.eff.org/updates?type=press_release&page=1 https://www.eff.org/updates?type=press_release&page=1

boomboomsubban 9y ago

This "stance" mentions nothing about any administration, they've held it since PRISM was revealed, and the program started under the Bush administration.

smokeyj 9y ago

I remember saying I hope trump wins so that dragnet surveillance becomes uncool again. Damn that Obama's charisma.

cracell 9y ago

I get what you are saying. A lot of media has been "oh this was fine" under Obama but "oh no this is horrible under Trump". The TPP is an interesting example given a lot of liberal media was very against it until it became a Trump issue and they flipped. However this doesn't apply to the EFF that I've seen. The EFF is very consistent in their principles and they don't play partisan politics. Building cases and maneuvering takes a long time and they have to be efficient with their funding.

phyalow 9y ago

Jewel vs. NSA