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I recommend eating tofu as tofu, not as a fake meat. It's delicious if you know how to prepare it.
by nawitus 9y ago
I recommend eating tofu as tofu, not as a fake meat. It's delicious if you know how to prepare it.
- hn_throwaway_99 9y agoI think what these companies are doing has a different appeal, though. There are plenty of vegetarian protein sources I enjoy, but I also just like the taste of a good burger. If I could get a burger that tasted like real beef, but without the environmental and ethical concerns of beef, I would gladly trade it.
- borne0 9y agoVery true, Pad Thai without any protein aside from tofu is still delicious.
- contingencies 9y agoYep. Sugar, oil and salt with a bit of crunchy veg, chilli, soft rice noodles, often egg, a touch of fish sauce and lime. Classic. Will definitely be on offer at http://8-food.com/ http://8-food.com/ launch :)
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- rgrieselhuber 9y agoNot a great food for men, though.
- microcolonel 9y agoEspecially with the lightspeed downward trend in androgens and fertility over the last few decades.
- amalag 9y agoI think men in societies where they have eaten tofu for centuries like China, Indonesia and Japan are doing just fine.
- cyanexttuesday 9y agoI read they don't eat a lot and when they do its fermented. Some scientific studies on soy prep and pseudo estrogen effects would be fascinating.
- rgrieselhuber 9y agoI can't speak for China and Indonesia, but I've lived in Japan for a number of years. Tofu is not super common as a dish, mostly as a filler in small portions of some side dishes.
- hnnsj 9y agoWhat do you have to say to the other two responses that debunk your claim?
- rgrieselhuber 9y agoI'm always willing to look at evidence. I'm a little concerned about the objectivity of the author of the papers linked to.
- paulcole 9y agoYou mean as opposed to the 0 papers you cited?
- rgrieselhuber 9y agoWell, yes actually. I've read enough over the years that I personally avoid soy and soy-based products. When it comes up, I explain why. It's not a great accomplishment to link to a paper that performs well in organic search.
- zython 9y agoHow do you mean ? As long as its nutricous and preferrably somewhat edible, it should be at the very least not harmful for any sex, right ?
- paulddraper 9y agoThe parent is referring to the presence of isoflavones, which can have estrogen-like effects. IDK if any of that is actually a problem, but that's the reference.
- zython 9y agoAh, looks like your're right. Good thing soy isnt the only good source of plant based protein.
- jamesgagan 9y agoDebunked: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224 "Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis."
- WillPostForFood 9y agoCiting one study (meta analysis or not) and claiming debunked is not a serious argument, especially with respect to diet where there is data all over the place. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2721724/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2721724/ There was an inverse association between soy food intake and sperm concentration that remained significant after accounting for age, abstinence time, body mass index, caffeine and alcohol intake and smoking. In the multivariate-adjusted analyses, men in the highest category of soy food intake had 41 million sperm/ml less than men who did not consume soy foods.
- cropsieboss 9y agoWrong measure. What if men had lower concentration of sperm but higher volume of the ejaculate? Soy is known to have benefits on prostate and much of the volume of sperm comes from prostate liquid.
- mickronome 9y agoPossibly wrong measure, and not the whole story in any case. The implicitly suggested volume measure might not be the wrong measure either since fertility depends on quite a few variables, several we don't even know about. These unknowns are actually a bit concerning on their own since fertility has been falling rapidly, at least in most of the western hemisphere, and the cause is unknown.
- cropsieboss 9y agoWell, Asia does not seem to suffer yet soy is a significant part of their caloric intake.
- fernly 9y agoHere are two PubMed surveys that show there is no evidence for Soy consumption having feminizing effects on men. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224 [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20378106 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20378106
- rgrieselhuber 9y agoI'll do some more research on this, since you took the time to post. My initial reaction after doing a bit of searching on the author is that he appears to have a financial interest in promoting soy-based foods.
- sn9 9y agoSoy-based foods have essentially no impact on testosterone levels in men at the typical levels of consumption: https://examine.com/nutrition/is-soy-good-or-bad-for-me/ https://examine.com/nutrition/is-soy-good-or-bad-for-me/ You'd have to basically almost be subsisting off of soy to start to see effects.
- rgrieselhuber 9y agoYour second point is worth looking into further. Soy can be found in many products: https://www.verywell.com/food-and-ingredients-to-avoid-on-a-soy-free-diet-1324000 https://www.verywell.com/food-and-ingredients-to-avoid-on-a-...
- sn9 9y agoPresence isn't really the an indicator of amount.
- rgrieselhuber 9y agoPrevelance is.
- hnnsj 9y agoWhat's wrong with eating fake meat if that's what you like?
- nawitus 9y agoNothing, and I do. It's just odd when I see tofu recommended as a "fake meat".