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Is it really outlandish, for example, to have claimed the Arctic ice would disappear? It has been happening and the disappearance is almost complete. I have see

Is it really outlandish, for example, to have claimed the Arctic ice would disappear? It has been happening and the disappearance is almost complete. I have seen glaciers break and fall into the see in my front of my very eyes. Also, need I remind you of the planet Venus. It once had liquid water. It later became a victim of runaway climate change.

0xbear 9y ago
And Earth once was frozen all over, and there were times when concentration of greenhouse gases was much higher than it is today, with no "runaway" effects.
- throwawaywonk 9y ago
  Found the climate change denialist.
- transverse 9y ago
  In other words, you don't deny that outlandish events do happen. Clearly we don't want them to happen. Or did you mean to throw your hands up in the air and call yourself a victim of circumstance? Not me.
- stouset 9y ago
  Nobody's saying the runaway effects are going to boil the oceans, for fuck's sake. Do you seriously not realize that the people who've been doing climate research for decades are aware that there were previous eras with more CO2 in them? If you weren't just out to validate your own political goals, you might stop for a moment and reflect on how poorly-suited current life on the planet is for those previous eras with drastically more carbon in the air.
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slackingoff2017 9y ago
Earth has had CO2 levels far higher than currently in the geologically recent past. We will run out of fossil fuels well before we destroy the planet. The biggest effect of global warming so far is arguably positive. Plants are making good use of higher CO2 levels and it's estimated that farming yields have increased 30% in the last century from this faster plant growth.
- dpark 9y ago
  The biggest effects are that it's getting goddamned hot in places that used to be temperate and that the ice caps are melting. Neither of these are positive and your 30% higher plant growth claim is undoubtedly BS. Most improvements to agriculture have come from fertilizers, the production of which contribute to global warming.
  - slackingoff2017 9y ago
    The increase amount is debated but higher CO2 levels have caused significant gains in farming efficiency. http://www.climatecentral.org/news/study-finds-plant-growth-surges-as-co2-levels-rise-16094 http://www.climatecentral.org/news/study-finds-plant-growth-...
    - dpark 9y ago
      I have no disagreement with the claim that higher levels of CO2 increases plant growth. That is a fact. I seriously doubt the 30% claim without compelling evidence, though. Especially for agriculture, where water limits are rarely the concern and we dump fertilizer like it's free.
      - slackingoff2017 9y ago
        Actually our use of fertilizer and irrigation makes CO2 level a significant limiter on plant growth rates. CO2 fixation is so expensive that plants adapted to arid environments have developed a better way of doing it, C4 carbon fixation. I found the study: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/05/study-suggests-increased-atmospheric-co2-creates-a-30-growth-in-plant-photosynthesis-during-last-two-centuries/ https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/05/study-suggests-increa...

0xbear 9y ago

And Earth once was frozen all over, and there were times when concentration of greenhouse gases was much higher than it is today, with no "runaway" effects.

throwawaywonk 9y ago
Found the climate change denialist.
transverse 9y ago
In other words, you don't deny that outlandish events do happen. Clearly we don't want them to happen. Or did you mean to throw your hands up in the air and call yourself a victim of circumstance? Not me.
stouset 9y ago
Nobody's saying the runaway effects are going to boil the oceans, for fuck's sake. Do you seriously not realize that the people who've been doing climate research for decades are aware that there were previous eras with more CO2 in them? If you weren't just out to validate your own political goals, you might stop for a moment and reflect on how poorly-suited current life on the planet is for those previous eras with drastically more carbon in the air.

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slackingoff2017 9y ago

Earth has had CO2 levels far higher than currently in the geologically recent past. We will run out of fossil fuels well before we destroy the planet. The biggest effect of global warming so far is arguably positive. Plants are making good use of higher CO2 levels and it's estimated that farming yields have increased 30% in the last century from this faster plant growth.

dpark 9y ago
The biggest effects are that it's getting goddamned hot in places that used to be temperate and that the ice caps are melting. Neither of these are positive and your 30% higher plant growth claim is undoubtedly BS. Most improvements to agriculture have come from fertilizers, the production of which contribute to global warming.
- slackingoff2017 9y ago
  The increase amount is debated but higher CO2 levels have caused significant gains in farming efficiency. http://www.climatecentral.org/news/study-finds-plant-growth-surges-as-co2-levels-rise-16094 http://www.climatecentral.org/news/study-finds-plant-growth-...
  - dpark 9y ago
    I have no disagreement with the claim that higher levels of CO2 increases plant growth. That is a fact. I seriously doubt the 30% claim without compelling evidence, though. Especially for agriculture, where water limits are rarely the concern and we dump fertilizer like it's free.
    - slackingoff2017 9y ago
      Actually our use of fertilizer and irrigation makes CO2 level a significant limiter on plant growth rates. CO2 fixation is so expensive that plants adapted to arid environments have developed a better way of doing it, C4 carbon fixation. I found the study: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/05/study-suggests-increased-atmospheric-co2-creates-a-30-growth-in-plant-photosynthesis-during-last-two-centuries/ https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/05/study-suggests-increa...