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He could have dumped the body somewhere else and only sank the sub to wash away the evidence. The sub was missing for over 12 hours. Who knows how far that thin

by towb 9y ago

He could have dumped the body somewhere else and only sank the sub to wash away the evidence. The sub was missing for over 12 hours. Who knows how far that thing can get in that time.

masklinn 9y ago
5h each way (giving 2h for whatever), it can probably do ~10km/h[0], so that's likely 50~55km assuming wiki has it right. Here's hoping nothing happened and the journalist just took a nap at a hostel or something, but the optics are quite bad, it's a lot of coincidences which look pretty nasty. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC3_Nautilus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC3_Nautilus
- dogma1138 9y ago
  She's been reported missing since Thursday, that's one heck of a nap, the likely explanation that she is dead.
anotheryou 9y ago
I think it's much more likely that the sub sank by accident and he denies she was on board, than a planned murder happening.
- tyingq 9y ago
  It didn't have to be a planned murder. It's possible it wasn't premeditated, but happened. He dumps the body, then considers the forensic value of the sub. Navigates to a different spot, then scuttles it to wash anything incriminating away.
  - eugeniub 9y ago
    I think the allegation is that she died because the sub drowned. He isn't alleged to have killed her any other way yet, and speculation of another way is just speculation.
    - tyingq 9y ago
      The idea that she went down with the sub is speculation as well.
  - dogma1138 9y ago
    Unless she discovered that the submarine was being used to smuggle illegal danish cinnamon rolls[1] It's likely that she died when the submarine failed. Ships aren't build with built-in scuttle capabilities, military submarines can be scuttled because you can blow yourself up. The likely scenario is that the submarine has failed, she either died before she could escape or the more likely scenario is that Madsen panicked, saved himself and left her behind to die. [1]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10538172/Traditional-Danish-pastries-threatened-by-EU-cinnamon-ban.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10538172...
    - tyingq 9y ago
      >Ships aren't build with built-in scuttle capabilities, Submarines are. Ballast tanks plus leaving a hatch open. Also, the sub didn't sink until 11am the day after. She did not plan on an overnight trip in the sub. That's why I think there's more to this story than an accidental sinking.
      - jacquesm 9y ago
        Hatch open or closed doesn't even matter, it's just that with the hatch open it will go down a lot faster and the interior will be flooded.
        8fGTBjZxBcHq 9y ago
        That... matters. A lot. Where are you even coming from where "the interior will be flooded" doesn't matter _for a seagoing vessel._
        jacquesm 9y ago
        If you want to sink it.
        tyingq 9y ago
        Sure. I suspect seawater in the interior was the whole point in this case. Reaches every nook and cranny.
  - belorn 9y ago
    I don't understand this speculation. There are better plans if he was clam and had time enough to dump a body, navigate a submarine to a different spot, and scuttle it to wash away evidence. He could just claim that they both abandoned the submarine and then got separated. What benefits are there to make a elaborated plan?
    - tyingq 9y ago
      No body was found on the sub, and police suspect the sub was deliberately sunk. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40916787 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40916787 He claimed earlier that she was dropped off many hours prior to the incident. He apparently has a new and different story now, though the police aren't saying what it is. He can't claim they both abandoned the submarine when it sunk, as there were eyewitnesses to that event.
    - floatingatoll 9y ago
      Making an elaborate plan triggers unconscious support from people who rely on Occam’s Razor to evaluate whether something is likely or not.
      - tyingq 9y ago
        I'm confused as to why that plan would be considered elaborate. Haphazard and panicked seems to describe it better. Which fits Occam's razor just fine. What is likely, given what's known at this point? I don't see some more likely scenario. Her body wasn't on the submarine, and the eyewitness account of the sinking supports the idea of a deliberate scuttle. The police say it looks deliberate as well.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  I don't buy the accident. Not with him going down, going back up and then the sub began to sink. Note that the ballast tanks in a sub filling up are enough to make it sink, all he had to do was command a dive and if the sub has it bypass the tower hatch interlock (which would seem like a basic precaution).
  - anotheryou 9y ago
    yea, made the comment when less was known
- hutzlibu 9y ago
  "11:00 - Passing vessel sees the sub with Madsen on the tower. Madsen disappears below deck, then returns to the tower and the sub begins to sink. In 30 seconds, it's completely submerged and Madsen is rescued" that makes this quite unlikely

by towb 9y ago

He could have dumped the body somewhere else and only sank the sub to wash away the evidence. The sub was missing for over 12 hours. Who knows how far that thing can get in that time.

masklinn 9y ago

5h each way (giving 2h for whatever), it can probably do ~10km/h[0], so that's likely 50~55km assuming wiki has it right. Here's hoping nothing happened and the journalist just took a nap at a hostel or something, but the optics are quite bad, it's a lot of coincidences which look pretty nasty. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC3_Nautilus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC3_Nautilus

dogma1138 9y ago
She's been reported missing since Thursday, that's one heck of a nap, the likely explanation that she is dead.

anotheryou 9y ago

I think it's much more likely that the sub sank by accident and he denies she was on board, than a planned murder happening.

tyingq 9y ago
It didn't have to be a planned murder. It's possible it wasn't premeditated, but happened. He dumps the body, then considers the forensic value of the sub. Navigates to a different spot, then scuttles it to wash anything incriminating away.
- eugeniub 9y ago
  I think the allegation is that she died because the sub drowned. He isn't alleged to have killed her any other way yet, and speculation of another way is just speculation.
  - tyingq 9y ago
    The idea that she went down with the sub is speculation as well.
- dogma1138 9y ago
  Unless she discovered that the submarine was being used to smuggle illegal danish cinnamon rolls[1] It's likely that she died when the submarine failed. Ships aren't build with built-in scuttle capabilities, military submarines can be scuttled because you can blow yourself up. The likely scenario is that the submarine has failed, she either died before she could escape or the more likely scenario is that Madsen panicked, saved himself and left her behind to die. [1]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10538172/Traditional-Danish-pastries-threatened-by-EU-cinnamon-ban.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10538172...
  - tyingq 9y ago
    >Ships aren't build with built-in scuttle capabilities, Submarines are. Ballast tanks plus leaving a hatch open. Also, the sub didn't sink until 11am the day after. She did not plan on an overnight trip in the sub. That's why I think there's more to this story than an accidental sinking.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      Hatch open or closed doesn't even matter, it's just that with the hatch open it will go down a lot faster and the interior will be flooded.
      - 8fGTBjZxBcHq 9y ago
        That... matters. A lot. Where are you even coming from where "the interior will be flooded" doesn't matter _for a seagoing vessel._
        jacquesm 9y ago
        If you want to sink it.
      - tyingq 9y ago
        Sure. I suspect seawater in the interior was the whole point in this case. Reaches every nook and cranny.
- belorn 9y ago
  I don't understand this speculation. There are better plans if he was clam and had time enough to dump a body, navigate a submarine to a different spot, and scuttle it to wash away evidence. He could just claim that they both abandoned the submarine and then got separated. What benefits are there to make a elaborated plan?
  - tyingq 9y ago
    No body was found on the sub, and police suspect the sub was deliberately sunk. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40916787 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40916787 He claimed earlier that she was dropped off many hours prior to the incident. He apparently has a new and different story now, though the police aren't saying what it is. He can't claim they both abandoned the submarine when it sunk, as there were eyewitnesses to that event.
  - floatingatoll 9y ago
    Making an elaborate plan triggers unconscious support from people who rely on Occam’s Razor to evaluate whether something is likely or not.
    - tyingq 9y ago
      I'm confused as to why that plan would be considered elaborate. Haphazard and panicked seems to describe it better. Which fits Occam's razor just fine. What is likely, given what's known at this point? I don't see some more likely scenario. Her body wasn't on the submarine, and the eyewitness account of the sinking supports the idea of a deliberate scuttle. The police say it looks deliberate as well.
jacquesm 9y ago
I don't buy the accident. Not with him going down, going back up and then the sub began to sink. Note that the ballast tanks in a sub filling up are enough to make it sink, all he had to do was command a dive and if the sub has it bypass the tower hatch interlock (which would seem like a basic precaution).
- anotheryou 9y ago
  yea, made the comment when less was known
hutzlibu 9y ago
"11:00 - Passing vessel sees the sub with Madsen on the tower. Madsen disappears below deck, then returns to the tower and the sub begins to sink. In 30 seconds, it's completely submerged and Madsen is rescued" that makes this quite unlikely