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> That's your opinion. You've not made the case the memo has "no merit" I just replied to your other comment clarifying why the memo is weak at best, and a stu

> That's your opinion. You've not made the case the memo has "no merit" I just replied to your other comment clarifying why the memo is weak at best, and a stupid violation of the code of conduct at worst. > No you aren't, you don't have a case. Oh, yes I do. Males working in Silicon Valley complaining about their precious feelings have 0 of my sympathy. I'm a male and work in tech. You don't see me or any of my friends whining about "discrimination" because more women are coming into the field. It's beyond ridiculous. Only people who are not very sure about their skills would be complaining about that. > quote it specificly. Refer to my other comments. Essentially he tries to pass the biological argument as the One True Argument, completely ignoring that while the social arguments are still there the biological argument is unquantifiable and building a case around is bullshit. > There are citations in the original memo The citations don't quantify, they just quote. Nobody, ever, has put a number to the percentage of women that don't go into engineering for "lack of interest" derived from biological factors. It's literally unquantifiable. > Just because you have none? Read the memo, that's a start. I read the fucking memo. It reads exactly like the kind of shit I'd expect from a "disenfranchised" alt-righter. I'm surprised he didn't publish it on Breitbart. > For me to read the memo to you? No, for you to give me a number. What percentage of women are not interested in engineering because of genes. C'mon, can't be that hard!?

Chris2048 9y ago
>> you don't have a case > You don't see me or any of my friends whining ok, datapoint #1 - you and your friends. Have anything better? You think that's a case made? >> quote it specificly. > Refer to my other comments The ones where you also don't quote anything specifically? > No, for you to give me a number. Show me the part of the memo that requires it? you are the one that suggested the memo said things that it didn't.
- dguaraglia 9y ago
  > Show me the part of the memo that requires it? you are the one that suggested the memo said things that it didn't. What, exactly does the memo say in your opinion? Because so far I hear you complain about all kinds of things it allegedly doesn't say, but I haven't heard you explain what it does say. I understand that's the semantic game most alt-righters love to play, but c'mon, if you want me to take you seriously at least argue something instead of just saying "no, didn't say so."
  - Chris2048 9y ago
    Oh I see, I'm an "alt-righter" now? Presumably part of the down-voting brigade from Breitbart you assumed to exist. Sorry, but I'm not doing your work for you. You made false claims, burden on you is to back them up, or otherwise rescind your claims. I've asked you to quote, or cite the memo, and you haven't - now you want me to instead?
    - dguaraglia 9y ago
      The burden is on you to prove I've made false claims. Again, you keep saying I said something wrong and yet never point out what. The moment I ask you to point out what, you just scurry away saying "I'm not gonna do your work". Seems to me like you don't have a point to make.
      - Chris2048 9y ago
        > The burden is on you to prove I've made false claim Holy-shit. Ok, I'm calling you out as a troll. Enough is enough.
        dguaraglia 9y ago
        Nice cop out. That's fine, I'm tired of going back and forth with you and so far you haven't brought up a single point, just keep accusing me of misrepresentation and saying I'm supposed to prove wrong something you didn't ever define. I'm calling you out as an alt-righter with nothing better to do than defend gender stereotyping. Enough is enough.
        dang 9y ago
        You've been using HN primarily for ideological battle too, and that's an abuse of the site regardless of who does it or which side they're on. I realize these threads have been little other than that, but that doesn't make it ok to break HN's rules, and some of the many personal attacks in your comments ("Yes, really, you have no fucking shame") are beyond the pale, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. Plenty of other users are arguing for the same positions as you without stooping to this level or degrading the site so badly. Given that HN is supposed to be a place for the gratification of intellectual curiosity, not the smiting of enemies, we have to moderate the site rather proactively when people turn it into a battlefield. It has been quite the battlefield of late, but you seem to be one of the users making this worse, so would you please not do that anymore? The test we use as moderators is: does this account use HN primarily for political or ideological battle? The key word is primarily. A certain amount of political argument is ok, but if it turns into the main use of the site, that's an abuse. You've commented on non-political topics on HN before, but frankly I had to look a long way back in your account's history to find any. That's a problem. Most importantly, we ban accounts that do personal attacks, so no more personal attacks, please.
sctb 9y ago
Please don't do this on Hacker News. This angry tennis match is uncivil between the two of you and boring for everyone else. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14996030 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14996030 and marked it off-topic.

Chris2048 9y ago

>> you don't have a case > You don't see me or any of my friends whining ok, datapoint #1 - you and your friends. Have anything better? You think that's a case made? >> quote it specificly. > Refer to my other comments The ones where you also don't quote anything specifically? > No, for you to give me a number. Show me the part of the memo that requires it? you are the one that suggested the memo said things that it didn't.

dguaraglia 9y ago
> Show me the part of the memo that requires it? you are the one that suggested the memo said things that it didn't. What, exactly does the memo say in your opinion? Because so far I hear you complain about all kinds of things it allegedly doesn't say, but I haven't heard you explain what it does say. I understand that's the semantic game most alt-righters love to play, but c'mon, if you want me to take you seriously at least argue something instead of just saying "no, didn't say so."
- Chris2048 9y ago
  Oh I see, I'm an "alt-righter" now? Presumably part of the down-voting brigade from Breitbart you assumed to exist. Sorry, but I'm not doing your work for you. You made false claims, burden on you is to back them up, or otherwise rescind your claims. I've asked you to quote, or cite the memo, and you haven't - now you want me to instead?
  - dguaraglia 9y ago
    The burden is on you to prove I've made false claims. Again, you keep saying I said something wrong and yet never point out what. The moment I ask you to point out what, you just scurry away saying "I'm not gonna do your work". Seems to me like you don't have a point to make.
    - Chris2048 9y ago
      > The burden is on you to prove I've made false claim Holy-shit. Ok, I'm calling you out as a troll. Enough is enough.
      - dguaraglia 9y ago
        Nice cop out. That's fine, I'm tired of going back and forth with you and so far you haven't brought up a single point, just keep accusing me of misrepresentation and saying I'm supposed to prove wrong something you didn't ever define. I'm calling you out as an alt-righter with nothing better to do than defend gender stereotyping. Enough is enough.
        dang 9y ago
        You've been using HN primarily for ideological battle too, and that's an abuse of the site regardless of who does it or which side they're on. I realize these threads have been little other than that, but that doesn't make it ok to break HN's rules, and some of the many personal attacks in your comments ("Yes, really, you have no fucking shame") are beyond the pale, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. Plenty of other users are arguing for the same positions as you without stooping to this level or degrading the site so badly. Given that HN is supposed to be a place for the gratification of intellectual curiosity, not the smiting of enemies, we have to moderate the site rather proactively when people turn it into a battlefield. It has been quite the battlefield of late, but you seem to be one of the users making this worse, so would you please not do that anymore? The test we use as moderators is: does this account use HN primarily for political or ideological battle? The key word is primarily. A certain amount of political argument is ok, but if it turns into the main use of the site, that's an abuse. You've commented on non-political topics on HN before, but frankly I had to look a long way back in your account's history to find any. That's a problem. Most importantly, we ban accounts that do personal attacks, so no more personal attacks, please.

sctb 9y ago

Please don't do this on Hacker News. This angry tennis match is uncivil between the two of you and boring for everyone else. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14996030 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14996030 and marked it off-topic.