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Sure we are. "Socialism works so well there! We should do it here." "They have such low recidivism there! We should use their sentencing as a standard!" I th

by fixxer 9y ago

Sure we are. "Socialism works so well there! We should do it here." "They have such low recidivism there! We should use their sentencing as a standard!" I think violent offenses are more than something that requires reform for the perpetrator. It requires justice for the victim. Rape and murder? Fuck you, you're going away FOREVER.

ceejayoz 9y ago
What, exactly is the socialist/capitalist dividing line when it comes to sentencing length? At what point does a short murder sentence become a sign of socialism?
- fixxer 9y ago
  No no my feminist Internet friend, that isn't what I'm saying. I'm not melding socialism with their sentencing. My point is: Stop using Scandanavia as an example of something that can/should be replicated here. If you are a huge advocate, I suggest moving there. Edit for Detardo below: Ah, but you are confused about why people provide examples to establish a point! Allow me.to educate you! Person A: This country does <insert policy> and it doesn't work/I don't like it! Person B: Ahh, but this other country does <insert other policy> and it works based upon my arbitrary metrics! In the above dialogue, Person B is providing that example as an implicit directive for this country to match the other. You're welcome!
  - detaro 9y ago
    You started out with "what they do over there is appalling", nobody said anything about replicating it in the US.
  - lovich 9y ago
    You still haven't answered if you find their recidivism rates a problem. It's perfectly fine if your are of the opinion that their system will not work outside their set of circumstances, but you've stated that you find their sentencing appalling without ever commenting on how you view their results. If you don't care about results, and only about the morality of their choices then state that
    - andrei_says_ 9y ago
      I really appreciate this thread. Saving it as an example of using the Socratic method to drive the conversation. thank you.

by fixxer 9y ago

ceejayoz 9y ago

What, exactly is the socialist/capitalist dividing line when it comes to sentencing length? At what point does a short murder sentence become a sign of socialism?

fixxer 9y ago
No no my feminist Internet friend, that isn't what I'm saying. I'm not melding socialism with their sentencing. My point is: Stop using Scandanavia as an example of something that can/should be replicated here. If you are a huge advocate, I suggest moving there. Edit for Detardo below: Ah, but you are confused about why people provide examples to establish a point! Allow me.to educate you! Person A: This country does <insert policy> and it doesn't work/I don't like it! Person B: Ahh, but this other country does <insert other policy> and it works based upon my arbitrary metrics! In the above dialogue, Person B is providing that example as an implicit directive for this country to match the other. You're welcome!
- detaro 9y ago
  You started out with "what they do over there is appalling", nobody said anything about replicating it in the US.
- lovich 9y ago
  You still haven't answered if you find their recidivism rates a problem. It's perfectly fine if your are of the opinion that their system will not work outside their set of circumstances, but you've stated that you find their sentencing appalling without ever commenting on how you view their results. If you don't care about results, and only about the morality of their choices then state that
  - andrei_says_ 9y ago
    I really appreciate this thread. Saving it as an example of using the Socratic method to drive the conversation. thank you.