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I find their population bares little resemblence to Chicago's.

by fixxer 9y ago

ceejayoz 9y ago
We're not talking about Chicago, are we? You said "In fact, I find the lax sentencing in Scandanavian countries appalling." I'm asking if you're appalled by the low recidivism rates their apparently-appalling justice system produces.
- fixxer 9y ago
  Sure we are. "Socialism works so well there! We should do it here." "They have such low recidivism there! We should use their sentencing as a standard!" I think violent offenses are more than something that requires reform for the perpetrator. It requires justice for the victim. Rape and murder? Fuck you, you're going away FOREVER.
  - ceejayoz 9y ago
    What, exactly is the socialist/capitalist dividing line when it comes to sentencing length? At what point does a short murder sentence become a sign of socialism?
    - fixxer 9y ago
      No no my feminist Internet friend, that isn't what I'm saying. I'm not melding socialism with their sentencing. My point is: Stop using Scandanavia as an example of something that can/should be replicated here. If you are a huge advocate, I suggest moving there. Edit for Detardo below: Ah, but you are confused about why people provide examples to establish a point! Allow me.to educate you! Person A: This country does <insert policy> and it doesn't work/I don't like it! Person B: Ahh, but this other country does <insert other policy> and it works based upon my arbitrary metrics! In the above dialogue, Person B is providing that example as an implicit directive for this country to match the other. You're welcome!
      - detaro 9y ago
        You started out with "what they do over there is appalling", nobody said anything about replicating it in the US.
      - lovich 9y ago
        You still haven't answered if you find their recidivism rates a problem. It's perfectly fine if your are of the opinion that their system will not work outside their set of circumstances, but you've stated that you find their sentencing appalling without ever commenting on how you view their results. If you don't care about results, and only about the morality of their choices then state that
        andrei_says_ 9y ago
        I really appreciate this thread. Saving it as an example of using the Socratic method to drive the conversation. thank you.
tinus_hn 9y ago
Would you find it less appalling to have them adapt their sentences to a population they don't have?

I find their population bares little resemblence to Chicago's.

by fixxer 9y ago

I find their population bares little resemblence to Chicago's.

We're not talking about Chicago, are we? You said "In fact, I find the lax sentencing in Scandanavian countries appalling." I'm asking if you're appalled by the low recidivism rates their apparently-appalling justice system produces.

fixxer 9y ago
Sure we are. "Socialism works so well there! We should do it here." "They have such low recidivism there! We should use their sentencing as a standard!" I think violent offenses are more than something that requires reform for the perpetrator. It requires justice for the victim. Rape and murder? Fuck you, you're going away FOREVER.
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  What, exactly is the socialist/capitalist dividing line when it comes to sentencing length? At what point does a short murder sentence become a sign of socialism?
  - fixxer 9y ago
    No no my feminist Internet friend, that isn't what I'm saying. I'm not melding socialism with their sentencing. My point is: Stop using Scandanavia as an example of something that can/should be replicated here. If you are a huge advocate, I suggest moving there. Edit for Detardo below: Ah, but you are confused about why people provide examples to establish a point! Allow me.to educate you! Person A: This country does <insert policy> and it doesn't work/I don't like it! Person B: Ahh, but this other country does <insert other policy> and it works based upon my arbitrary metrics! In the above dialogue, Person B is providing that example as an implicit directive for this country to match the other. You're welcome!
    - detaro 9y ago
      You started out with "what they do over there is appalling", nobody said anything about replicating it in the US.
    - lovich 9y ago
      You still haven't answered if you find their recidivism rates a problem. It's perfectly fine if your are of the opinion that their system will not work outside their set of circumstances, but you've stated that you find their sentencing appalling without ever commenting on how you view their results. If you don't care about results, and only about the morality of their choices then state that
      - andrei_says_ 9y ago
        I really appreciate this thread. Saving it as an example of using the Socratic method to drive the conversation. thank you.

tinus_hn 9y ago

Would you find it less appalling to have them adapt their sentences to a population they don't have?