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Re the "fatigue", that sucks. But unfortunately, it's a rational reaction to AA, etc. I recall running into women in CS in the 80s, far before the days of div
by throwaway12124 9y ago
Re the "fatigue", that sucks. But unfortunately, it's a rational reaction to AA, etc.
I recall running into women in CS in the 80s, far before the days of diversity hires. It was instant respect, as you knew that that person was not only legit, but had probably overcome extra obstacles to get where they were.
These days, anyone who could have been a diversity hire is guilty until proven innocent.
- anonymouskimmer 9y agoMy response to another commenter the first time this was posted (and flagged - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14990433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14990433): It's like a person brand new to the job - you don't know their skills yet. After a few months one's co-workers should see those skills in action enough that the suspicion disappears. And after a few years the worker will hopefully develop enough that they can demonstrate their competency to pretty much anyone. And ultimately the person will be enjoying their career, which makes most other considerations irrelevant. It's not as if outsiders to a job have the ability to accurately evaluate the person doing the job. A company can't be held responsible for someone else's Dunning-Kruger effect.
- throwaway12124 9y agoWell, or the suspicion is confirmed. But in any case, "a few years" is a long time to labor under a cloud, esp in an industry where switching jobs every couple of years is common. For myself, I'd prefer to face exactly the same standard as everyone else.
- throwaway2812 9y agoFWIW -- google does not have diversity hires in the interview pipeline. Everyone gets the same interview bar. But 'diversity recruiting' is more aggressive to try and increase the available interview pool.
- lawnchair_larry 9y agoThe author claimed he attended a workshop and discovered that this is not entirely true. Do diversity hires get any special treatment after a no-hire vote?
- throwaway12124 9y agoThe author of the memo indicated that special steps were taken that would/might lower the false negative rate. Unfortunately the reference points to an internal document, but this would seem to indicate that the bar is lowered.
- DanBC 9y ago> These days, anyone who could have been a diversity hire is guilty until proven innocent That says a lot more about you than it does about diversity programmes.
- throwaway12124 9y agoPeople won't generally admit to these sorts of uncomfortable estimations, but pretty much everyone makes them internally. If it makes you feel any better, as a rule I give diversity people higher ratings for similar performances.