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If getting 30 days shaved off your sentence is such an appealing offer that an optional bargain involving sterilization is considered coercion, surely it's putt
by brandonhsiao 9y ago
If getting 30 days shaved off your sentence is such an appealing offer that an optional bargain involving sterilization is considered coercion, surely it's putting people in prison that's inhumane here?
- andrei_says_ 9y agoPrison in the U.S. is cruel and unusual punishment, as well as an institution of modern slavery. Race and income are the highest predictors of whether a person would end up in prison. Both of these speak loudly about us as a society and about our true values.
- fixxer 9y agoIn the case of drug crimes, I agree with you. Appeal of the logic starts to break down when you scale it out for violent offenders. In fact, I find the lax sentencing in Scandanavian countries appalling.
- ceejayoz 9y ago> In fact, I find the lax sentencing in Scandanavian countries appalling. Do you find their low recidivism rates similarly appalling?
- fixxer 9y agoI find their population bares little resemblence to Chicago's.
- ceejayoz 9y agoWe're not talking about Chicago, are we? You said "In fact, I find the lax sentencing in Scandanavian countries appalling." I'm asking if you're appalled by the low recidivism rates their apparently-appalling justice system produces.
- fixxer 9y agoSure we are. "Socialism works so well there! We should do it here." "They have such low recidivism there! We should use their sentencing as a standard!" I think violent offenses are more than something that requires reform for the perpetrator. It requires justice for the victim. Rape and murder? Fuck you, you're going away FOREVER.
- ceejayoz 9y agoWhat, exactly is the socialist/capitalist dividing line when it comes to sentencing length? At what point does a short murder sentence become a sign of socialism?
- fixxer 9y agoNo no my feminist Internet friend, that isn't what I'm saying. I'm not melding socialism with their sentencing. My point is: Stop using Scandanavia as an example of something that can/should be replicated here. If you are a huge advocate, I suggest moving there. Edit for Detardo below: Ah, but you are confused about why people provide examples to establish a point! Allow me.to educate you! Person A: This country does <insert policy> and it doesn't work/I don't like it! Person B: Ahh, but this other country does <insert other policy> and it works based upon my arbitrary metrics! In the above dialogue, Person B is providing that example as an implicit directive for this country to match the other. You're welcome!
- detaro 9y agoYou started out with "what they do over there is appalling", nobody said anything about replicating it in the US.
- lovich 9y agoYou still haven't answered if you find their recidivism rates a problem. It's perfectly fine if your are of the opinion that their system will not work outside their set of circumstances, but you've stated that you find their sentencing appalling without ever commenting on how you view their results. If you don't care about results, and only about the morality of their choices then state that
- tinus_hn 9y agoWould you find it less appalling to have them adapt their sentences to a population they don't have?
- kfhoeihfy38h 9y agoRecent study found that after adjusting for unobserved familial risk factors, there is no link between poverty and crime so you can strike that [1]. I am sure given enough time we'll find out that race has little to do with it either. [1] http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/bjprcpsych/205/4/286.full.pdf http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/bjprcpsych/205/4/286.full.pdf