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Would he have been fired if his position (similarly political) were for a stronger, more liberal diversity policy? Of course not. That's the difference here. I

Would he have been fired if his position (similarly political) were for a stronger, more liberal diversity policy? Of course not. That's the difference here. It was a work-provided place soliciting feedback on the company's diversity and hiring policies. Politics are already present in the existing policy.

kllrnohj 9y ago
If his liberal diversity policy was "white men shouldn't be hired, they are unfit to do the job" then yes he probably would have been fired still. That would be the actual alt-left equivalent here.
- Chris2048 9y ago
  He neither suggested women shouldn't be hired, nor that they are unfit for the job. Read the memo.
  - milcron 9y ago
    He did suggest that the natural percentage of women in tech would be below 50%, and it would take "authoritarian" measures to reach 50% or greater.
    - dguaraglia 9y ago
      Indeed, and that's where the argument that he's "all for equality" falls flat on it's ass. I call that kind of reasoning "benevolent bigotry": "ohhh, of course black lives matter! But you know, black people are predisposed to be criminals, so it's understandable if they get shot more frequently..." It's unbelievable that in 2017, in a field that is vastly dominated by males, someone would have the gall to claim "trying to introduce more diversity is repression." Can you imagine if the roles were reversed, and the nurses association said "well, we don't really want more males in the profession because they are clearly not biologically ready to deal with people. We'd love to have them, but clearly they are not interested so we'll set a quota on how many can be certified per year"? The same people defending Damore would be flipping their shit.
      - Chris2048 9y ago
        > the argument that he's "all for equality" falls flat on it's ass Because it's not your definition of equality? Why not impress us with your own brand of philosophy by writing a cited, 10-page memo on the topic, then maybe you'll get buy-in. > It's unbelievable that in 2017 Why? Is 2017 the year that its ok to repress individuals in favour of their respective political/identity group statistics? "introducing more diversity" is a sinister sugar-coating of what's happening here. > we don't really want more males in the profession because they are clearly not biologically ready to deal with people You mean imagine an entirely different thing? If someone explained why so few men chose to go into nursing using the same reasoning, they would not "[flip] their shit" - only because you manufactured an aspect not in the memo. He doubly-so didn't suggest setting a quota on women in IT, which is the cherry on the strawman.
        dguaraglia 9y ago
        Man, I just found a comment where you compare Damore to Rosa Parks. Literally, go fuck yourself. You are so far gone up your own ass, I don't think there's enough horses in the world to pull you out of it.
        Chris2048 9y ago
        Yes, you did, and I responded to that. I didn't "compare Damore to Rosa Parks", someone argued that Damore shouldn't have voiced his opinion for fear of not being hireable, and I compared this to Rosa Parks being told she'd have difficulty catching a bus. Given the comments you've posted already across HN, I believe it is you that has a problem.
        unityByFreedom 9y ago
        > I didn't "compare Damore to Rosa Parks" > someone argued that Damore shouldn't have voiced his opinion for fear of not being hireable, I compared this to Rosa Parks being told she'd have difficulty catching a bus Same thing.
- moduspol 9y ago
  The left-wing equivalent is the existing policy, and his proposal was a mainstream conservative one. And no, we won't be able to ever rationally discuss this when opponents straw man the memo as you're doing here.

kllrnohj 9y ago

If his liberal diversity policy was "white men shouldn't be hired, they are unfit to do the job" then yes he probably would have been fired still. That would be the actual alt-left equivalent here.

Chris2048 9y ago
He neither suggested women shouldn't be hired, nor that they are unfit for the job. Read the memo.
- milcron 9y ago
  He did suggest that the natural percentage of women in tech would be below 50%, and it would take "authoritarian" measures to reach 50% or greater.
  - dguaraglia 9y ago
    Indeed, and that's where the argument that he's "all for equality" falls flat on it's ass. I call that kind of reasoning "benevolent bigotry": "ohhh, of course black lives matter! But you know, black people are predisposed to be criminals, so it's understandable if they get shot more frequently..." It's unbelievable that in 2017, in a field that is vastly dominated by males, someone would have the gall to claim "trying to introduce more diversity is repression." Can you imagine if the roles were reversed, and the nurses association said "well, we don't really want more males in the profession because they are clearly not biologically ready to deal with people. We'd love to have them, but clearly they are not interested so we'll set a quota on how many can be certified per year"? The same people defending Damore would be flipping their shit.
    - Chris2048 9y ago
      > the argument that he's "all for equality" falls flat on it's ass Because it's not your definition of equality? Why not impress us with your own brand of philosophy by writing a cited, 10-page memo on the topic, then maybe you'll get buy-in. > It's unbelievable that in 2017 Why? Is 2017 the year that its ok to repress individuals in favour of their respective political/identity group statistics? "introducing more diversity" is a sinister sugar-coating of what's happening here. > we don't really want more males in the profession because they are clearly not biologically ready to deal with people You mean imagine an entirely different thing? If someone explained why so few men chose to go into nursing using the same reasoning, they would not "[flip] their shit" - only because you manufactured an aspect not in the memo. He doubly-so didn't suggest setting a quota on women in IT, which is the cherry on the strawman.
      - dguaraglia 9y ago
        Man, I just found a comment where you compare Damore to Rosa Parks. Literally, go fuck yourself. You are so far gone up your own ass, I don't think there's enough horses in the world to pull you out of it.
        Chris2048 9y ago
        Yes, you did, and I responded to that. I didn't "compare Damore to Rosa Parks", someone argued that Damore shouldn't have voiced his opinion for fear of not being hireable, and I compared this to Rosa Parks being told she'd have difficulty catching a bus. Given the comments you've posted already across HN, I believe it is you that has a problem.
        unityByFreedom 9y ago
        > I didn't "compare Damore to Rosa Parks" > someone argued that Damore shouldn't have voiced his opinion for fear of not being hireable, I compared this to Rosa Parks being told she'd have difficulty catching a bus Same thing.
moduspol 9y ago
The left-wing equivalent is the existing policy, and his proposal was a mainstream conservative one. And no, we won't be able to ever rationally discuss this when opponents straw man the memo as you're doing here.