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Britain's Forgotten Bike Highways
- thescarzy 9y agoI really hope that the bicycle makes a comeback that we can attribute to increased urbanisation. It makes so much sense as a mode of transport in and around cities.
- mintone 9y agoIf you are carrying nothing. If you need to carry anything larger than a laptop bag / backpack then a bike becomes highly impractical very, very quickly.
- frenchy 9y agoHow often do you travel around town where you need to carry more than a backpack would hold, but less than what you can jam in a small car? For me, I could probably use a bike about 90% of the time. I don't always, but it's mostly because I'm lazy.
- scythe 9y agoAbout once a week, maybe more. Visiting multiple stores (where it's already annoying to lug your prior purchases in with you) or just buying something like toilet paper will quickly achieve this qualification.
- tonyedgecombe 9y agoNearly all the grocery chains in the UK let you order online and have the goods delivered.
- jooke 9y agoEven if cars were only used by each person a couple of times a week that's still a massive improvement over commuting everyday. (I also think you're exaggerating, toilet paper can easily fit in a backpack.)
- jdavis703 9y agoI carry a couple days worth of groceries home regularly -- on a skateboard of all things. I can even get eggs back home without breaking them. And there's also a laptop in my bag since I'm picking these up on the way back from work.
- deft 9y agoUm, what? Bikes are literally the most effecient form of cargo transportation. Get a rack and a bag. Or a milk crate. It's not impractical at all.
- drsim 9y agoOr: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freight_bicycle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freight_bicycle
- mc32 9y agoOr a bike trailer[1]. There's one for every job. Cheaper [than a low volume bike] and you get to keep/have a regular bike for when you're not carrying freight. [1]https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/bicycle-cargo-chapter-2-bike-trailers.html https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/bicycle-cargo-chapter-2-bik...
- kalleboo 9y agoYou can't do a week's worth of shopping but in an urban environment it's easy enough to stop by a supermarket every couple days on your way home from work/school. I can fit 2 supermarket shopping bags in the front basket and strap a bale of toilet paper to the rear package holder no sweat. Around here furniture and electronics stores typically offer same- or next-day delivery for free or cheap.
- Reason077 9y agoExactly. Weekly shops are a thing for suburbanites! When you have easy walking/cycling access to multiple grocery stores, you just go shopping whenever you need something and never buy more than you can carry.
- lkozma 9y agoYou can even do a week's shopping, using a bicycle-pulled trailer (otherwise used for carrying small kids). As a side-effect you even benefit from the courtesy of drivers, who may think you are carrying your children as usually.
- Joeboy 9y agoYou can carry significantly more than nothing, but it's true that since I've started regularly needing to schlep sound recording equipment around cycling has become an increasingly impractical means of transport.
- ekr 9y agoWith a rack and a set of panniers, you can carry significant weight and volume.
- jusben1369 9y ago"Uncovering and reusing these old tracks could prove far cheaper than constructing new lanes." - I guess that seems key to me. Those lanes are nearly 90 years old. How much cheaper would they be vs new ones? And is that savings (10%, 30%?) really the thing that's holding back adding a nationwide biking network?
- justincormack 9y agoHaving the land and access rights is a lot of the cost. Often there isnt much space by new roads.
- ItsDeathball 9y agoI think the key point is that they already have a right of way reserved for cycling use, so even if they all need to be rebuilt the cost is merely that of breaking up and laying down concrete. Generally any bike infrastructure project has to contend with the politics of taking space away from cars.
- desas 9y agoBuilding a new cycle lane has all of the same costs getting it approved as a new road does - planning, buying the land, landowner negotiations, navigating planning permissions, public consultations etc. A bit of digging and tarmac on an existing one avoids most of that, it's just a case of finding the money - and the national government has announced a funding pot that councils can apply to.
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- lmm 9y ago> “At the time, the feeling among cycling groups was, ‘We deserve our place on the road. We don't want to be relegated to a secondary system,’” This matches a lot of my experience in Britain. When there's a cycle lane alongside a road drivers will often get aggressive about you cycling in the main roadway, even when (as is so often the case) the cycle lane is unsafe or unsuitable. IMO we should focus less on distinct cycling routes, and more on making road junctions safer for cyclists.
- porker 9y ago> even when (as is so often the case) the cycle lane is unsafe or unsuitable. Near me there's a mixed-use cycleway alongside a main road (put in 10-15 years ago). Driveways cross it regularly and you have to stop at every side-road to cross, but the big problem is commercial buildings with lowered kerbs and driveways. We have a drive-through restaurant, two car washes and a business park. Cycling along there is lethal because the drivers don't look before turning in or coming out. I choose to cycle on the road because while annoying drivers I feel safer.
- gjjrfcbugxbhf 9y agoThe difference is that in cycle friendly countries the cycle lane has priority over the driveways and small roads (same priority as the road it is next to). In the UK the cycle lane is usually given the lowest priority. This makes a massive difference to safety and usability.
- Doctor_Fegg 9y agoThe fact that there are bad bike lanes is not a reason to stop building bike lanes, it's a reason to build better bike lanes. The modal shares of cycling in the Netherlands or Denmark (segregated provision) vs, say, the UK or US (largely no distinct provision) are a pretty clear indicator that segregation gets more people cycling. If the collateral damage is that a few roadies have to slow down and use bike lanes in cities, I'm not uncomfortable with that, even speaking as a confident on-road cyclist myself.
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- WalterBright 9y agoIn the Seattle area, we have many railroad corridors still there. But in the push to create light rail, they've been completely ignored, creating new right-of-ways nearby at incredible cost. Some of them still have (unused) rusting tracks still sitting on them. It's especially baffling as the area has horrific traffic gridlock that is expected to get much, much worse due to the city's prosperity.
- frenchy 9y agoI don't know what the situation is like in the US, but in Canada, the old railroad corridors are often siting there, unused, because the railroad company owns the land and is trying to sell it some obscene fee (land that the government originally gave them for free).
- WalterBright 9y agoThat isn't the case here. The city owns the corridors.
- posguy 9y agoWhich corridors are you referring to? What neighborhood? You've piqued my interest, as someone who knows way too much about light rail & commuter rail in this city.
- WalterBright 9y agoThe eastside rail corridor is one. It stretches from Renton to Bothell. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bellevue,+WA/@47.5681081,-122.1856787,16z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x54906bcfa3a66041:0xbacf5482ead00765!8m2!3d47.6101497!4d-122.2015159 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bellevue,+WA/@47.5681081,-... Look on the west side of 405, there's a faint grey line. That's it. It used to be labeled on Google maps as "Eastside Rail Corridor", but that has been erased. Given the total silence about it during the Seattle Transit debate, the Seattle Times never ever mentioning it in any of their articles about light rail in King County, and the gradual removal of it from maps, would almost suggest there's a conspiracy. Converting it to light rail would double the trackage of Seattle Transit at minimal cost, and would connect the entire east side to Seattle and the airport.
- amiga-workbench 9y agoIn the north east of England, the old railway tracks were pulled up and turned into footpaths, I use one of these to cycle into work every day.
- robotmay 9y agoI think there must be a large disconnect in the UK between people who cycle and people who design road infrastructure. It's especially evident here in Cardiff, a city which by all accounts should be an amazing cycling city; largely flat, open, low-ish traffic, nice parks etc. But it's surprisingly terrible, either due to budget constraints or incompetence. I don't ride here any more, as I've found the risk just isn't worthwhile. One of the most entertaining examples might well be this road, which is perfectly straight and about a mile long. It is perfect for cycling, and to any reasonably sensible person, an easy road to build a cycle lane on: https://goo.gl/maps/8FjYE67SCfM2 https://goo.gl/maps/8FjYE67SCfM2 But see if you can spy where they actually built it. Not on the side of the road next to the railway, which is 1 mile of unbroken flat land with no junctions. That's where I'd build it (and you probably would too). No, instead they built it outside the front entrance of the apartments that line the other side of the road, broken every 100 yards by a junction, with a fence directly across the cycle lane. So cyclists have to merge in and out of pedestrians, wait at junctions, and they're directly outside the front entrance of buildings, making residents cross the cycle path to get to the pavement. And don't even get me started on this magnificent idiocy: https://goo.gl/maps/8EBCSXXJHcP2 https://goo.gl/maps/8EBCSXXJHcP2
- Boothroid 9y agoThe UK is such a land of contrasts. Are we pro cycling? Anti cycling? The record shows that we provided the world with its finest cyclists over the past decade, but the experience as a cyclist on the roads is not pleasant. Are we pro-car? Anti-car? Driving is usually miserable anywhere but the hinterland, and yet we supply the world with almost all its F1 cars. The answers seem so obvious and yet we struggle to bring about change. This is the land of Newton, Maxwell, Hawking for God's sake! Why is this land of progress yet so stunted in ambition? It confuses me.
- jdavis703 9y agoRacing vehicles (let's include bikes with that) are not really comparable with a daily commute though? If you assume that most bikes and cars are just trying to get to work or the grocery store the stark contrast seems a bit more muted.
- rz2k 9y agoThe BayTrail is a similar project for San Francisco Bay area: http://baytrail.org/baytrailmap.html http://baytrail.org/baytrailmap.html Around the US there are tens of thousands of miles of trails that have been converted from railways. Rails-to-Trails is one nonprofit that focuses on converting unused railways: https://www.railstotrails.org/about/about-us/ https://www.railstotrails.org/about/about-us/
- pacaro 9y agoRails to trails has occasionally happened on an ad hoc basis in the U.K. too. When Beeching's axe fell [1] at least some were converted. I used to cycle from Fareham to Gosport largely along one, the main challenge being that the other path users included a significant population of enthusiastic bottle smashers, so changing tubes became a fine art. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beeching_cuts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beeching_cuts
- JoeAltmaier 9y agoYeah, built but not maintained. Here in Iowa some arteries get some funding but the spurs have grown over. They are full of gopher holes and trees grow through the path now. Some get occasionally mowed; others have eroded away. It was an enthusiastic surge of conversion 15 years ago, but with no revenue (no road tax for bikes) who pays for patching, grading, mowing?
- jschwartzi 9y agoI think you'd be surprised how many cyclists also own(and pay taxes on) a car.
- JoeAltmaier 9y ago...which are used to maintain roads. Here in Iowa, they only pay half of what it takes to maintain the roads. Nothing left over. So bike paths are under 'parks and recreation' sadly.
- wmwragg 9y agoSustrans (https://www.sustrans.org.uk https://www.sustrans.org.uk) has built, and is continuing to expand, a wonderful cycle network across the UK.
- nicky0 9y agoWonderful network isn't the word is use for it. It's more of a patched together hodgepodge. One minute you are on a nice bit of road, the next you are diverted on to some weird alleys round the back of a housing estate. Then you can't see the next sign so you make a guess and hope for the best. Then you say fuck it I'm just riding on the road now.
- Doctor_Fegg 9y agoI'd say it's 90% (by mileage) good, and I've cycled a few thousand miles of it so that's based on significant experience. But there are certainly poor quality bits. Sustrans is currently doing a mile-by-mile review of the network with the intention of bringing it all up to a quality standard, and withdrawing those sections which can't reach it.
- rmason 9y agoIn Lansing the community is building out a network of bike trails but its patchy. Detroit has gotten very aggressive creating dedicated lanes taken off not so busy roads and using old railroad right of ways. You can go almost anywhere in the downtown area by bike. There are even rentals available. http://detroitgreenways.org/bike-map-and-parking/ http://detroitgreenways.org/bike-map-and-parking/ Some of the trails that slice through industrial areas even feature artwork like the famed DeQuindre cut https://www.traillink.com/trail/dequindre-cut-greenway/ https://www.traillink.com/trail/dequindre-cut-greenway/
- gpvos 9y agoI didn't know much about bicycle paths in the Netherlands in the 1930s, so I googled around a bit. It turns out that creating an organization of people campaigning for bicycle paths, like the Kickstarter described in the article, is a quintessentially Dutch thing to do. In the early 20th century, bicycle path associations popped up all over the country, some just campaigning, others also (partially) funding paths. In the 1950s interest waned, as constructing bicycle paths was seen more as a duty of the government. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijwielpadvereniging https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijwielpadvereniging (Dutch)