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Failure to self-educate, negotiate or maximize your leverage does not in any way make someone a victim. What sick thought crept its way into our collective con

Failure to self-educate, negotiate or maximize your leverage does not in any way make someone a victim. What sick thought crept its way into our collective consciousness that has made us glorify being a victim above all else. We have been fooled into holding up literally the opposite of success as the highest virtue.

taeric 9y ago
I haven't glorified being a victim. Quite the contrary. I just refuse to glorify anything the exploits and relies on someone being a victim. That is, my question is what sick thought made it acceptable to take repression and holding down of full segments of a population under the guise of them individually not standing up for themselves acceptable? Seriously, the evidence is quite clear that this attitude is complete nonsense and only works for people that have certain advantages already. I get that you feel you have worked hard for your position. So have I. I also get that I was additionally lucky that I was able to reap the rewards of my hard work. Many aren't. And to be ok with that is a truly disgusting collective consciousness problem.
- micahbright 9y ago
  >Seriously, the evidence is quite clear that this attitude is complete nonsense and only works for people that have certain advantages already. Ahem... citation needed
  - taeric 9y ago
    I've been referencing the still existing pay gap between men and women. Same for minorities. For this attitude to be accurate, the problem is simply that women and minorities are not educating themselves and/or are not "shopping themselves around." If you want me to cite studies showing that specifically is false, quite frankly I don't have time to dig around for that. You could find studies showing it is true.
    - micahbright 9y ago
      The still existing pay gap for men and women, when women make 105% of what men make for the same job title and experience? You need to study more.
      - taeric 9y ago
        Sounds like you have a source. Because that is a rather bold claim.

taeric 9y ago

I haven't glorified being a victim. Quite the contrary. I just refuse to glorify anything the exploits and relies on someone being a victim. That is, my question is what sick thought made it acceptable to take repression and holding down of full segments of a population under the guise of them individually not standing up for themselves acceptable? Seriously, the evidence is quite clear that this attitude is complete nonsense and only works for people that have certain advantages already. I get that you feel you have worked hard for your position. So have I. I also get that I was additionally lucky that I was able to reap the rewards of my hard work. Many aren't. And to be ok with that is a truly disgusting collective consciousness problem.

micahbright 9y ago
>Seriously, the evidence is quite clear that this attitude is complete nonsense and only works for people that have certain advantages already. Ahem... citation needed
- taeric 9y ago
  I've been referencing the still existing pay gap between men and women. Same for minorities. For this attitude to be accurate, the problem is simply that women and minorities are not educating themselves and/or are not "shopping themselves around." If you want me to cite studies showing that specifically is false, quite frankly I don't have time to dig around for that. You could find studies showing it is true.
  - micahbright 9y ago
    The still existing pay gap for men and women, when women make 105% of what men make for the same job title and experience? You need to study more.
    - taeric 9y ago
      Sounds like you have a source. Because that is a rather bold claim.