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The DMCA only applies to the US. Fork the repo and move on. It's time to forget about American hosting.

by nilved 9y ago

exabrial 9y ago
Sad but true :( If we could only remove the logjam in congress right now to get some real work done... currently the two parties are deadlocked in a power struggle and have completely forgotten why they're there.
- zanny 9y ago
  > currently the two parties are deadlocked in a power struggle You mean since about 1790? There have always been two parties in congress (minus the era of good feelings) and they have always had opposing ideology, and have almost always blocked one another's proposals. It is very naive to think the current Republican congress is anything different or new. Their inaction is intentional - they need to pass their anti-citizen legislation they were appointed for when people are not watching them. It is also somewhat inaccurate to blame it on "deadlocked parties". The factions within them to varying degrees stifle them. The parties aren't monoliths of ideology that uniformly vote the way the chair swings. If congress isn't passing good legislation, its because the constituent members of that congress aren't a majority good actors. Regardless of color. Regardless of excuses given. Politicians always act in the interest of someone. Sometimes its themselves. It used to sometimes be for their constituents (because they had to appease them for votes). Today it is mostly for corporate campaign donors. And those donors want the status quo. They don't want the changes average Americans want. The whole point of their buying and owning of politicians is to impede change. Of course a congress filled with men told to maintain gridlock and prevent reform by their masters will do so, and they do it in a way optimized for themselves - by always blaming someone else and taking no responsibility for the gridlock you cause, your base can just keep reelecting you despite hating congress in general. As long as the voters remain ignorant to this con, the business interests get what they paid for - usually corporate welfare.
  - mikeash 9y ago
    This paper tells a very different story: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0123507 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.... It's true that partisanship and the two-party system have been a fixture of our system from the very early days. But there are matters of degree, and the degree today is at a peak.
  - jlarocco 9y ago
    > You mean since about 1790? There have always been two parties in congress (minus the era of good feelings) and they have always had opposing ideology, and have almost always blocked one another's proposals. That's by design, actually. The goal was never to create a government that can efficiently create a million laws and regulations. The point of having multiple parties is that each of them will block each other and only the laws and regulations that everybody can agree on will actually get through. Unfortunately, politicians have been learning to game the system for ~200 years now, and it's not working exactly as designed. Another big difference lately seems to be that everybody's an extremist because nobody can change their mind or compromise without getting called out in the media for back pedaling or giving up or "working with the enemy" or whatever.
    - alphapapa 9y ago
      > The point of having multiple parties is that each of them will block each other and only the laws and regulations that everybody can agree on will actually get through. Gridlock is part of the design, yes. But consensus or unanimity are not. The simple majority rules, except for the cases defined in the Constitution, such as constitutional amendments. The Senate's filibuster is not how the Senate is supposed to function.
  - hyperbovine 9y ago
    There is way more money in politics now than there was in 1790. Hell, there is way more money in politics now than there was in 1970. It's the root of all evil, it really is. Name any malady you want of our current system -- at the end of the day I guarantee you it is in some way attributable to somebody buying influence at some point.
- bradleyankrom 9y ago
  also, few (if any) have the understanding of technology to affect appropriate reforms, which leads to industry lobbyists crafting legislation.
  - warrenm 9y ago
    what happens when lawyers are elected to congress
- civilian 9y ago
  Libertarian here-- what makes you think that the two parties working together will increase our liberty in regards to the internet? The logjam keeps the parties from working together to create new inefficient programs, expand others, increase spending. The logjam is _great_ and frankly I hope it continues.
- 659087 9y ago
  They never forgot why they were there, it's just that the reason (self enrichment, both financially and in terms of power) isn't the one US citizens believe it's supposed to be.
- okreallywtf 9y ago
  Do you have some good examples of what people would consider obstructionism coming from the Democrats? Its easy to find over Obama's 8 years, but how much consistent obstructionism have the Democrats engaged in? Every single minor thing under Obama was an absolute catastrophe, every budget every debt ceiling, pretty much no matter what. For some reason both parties get equal "credit" for the lack of progress but I can't personally see it that way though I try to have an open mind. When having a discussion with someone about obstructionism I like to point to instances on both sides, and if it seems one side has twice as many that make a difference to me and I refuse do acknowledge that they are truly the same, numbers matter.
komali2 9y ago
What about when the USA sent super cops to rappel into Kim dotcoms house and kick down doors?
- CoryG89 9y ago
  Kim should have chosen a different country. One that isn't so keen on letting the US raid their citizens.
  - djsumdog 9y ago
    I don't think such a country exists. The influence of American's empire, and its entertainment industry, is pretty vast.
    - walterstucco 9y ago
      Kim was already persona non Grata in different countries, accused of copyright infringement AND other serious crimes He should have stayed in Honk Kong Btw nobody could make you take down a link from a list if you host it in EU. Not even DOJ It's perfectly legal and it's a protected right
    - kuschku 9y ago
      And this is why maybe Trump can have one good effect: By causing other countries to distance itself from the US.
      - allemagne 9y ago
        The unfortunate truth is that there are mostly only much more authoritarian countries to fill any leadership void left by the US. As flawed as it is, and as flawed as Trump is, European countries can only step up so much to keep liberal democratic societies as the global ideal.
        kuschku 9y ago
        Maybe it could also help Europe to unify better. I'm certainly hopeful.
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Lunatic666 9y ago
Would forking really help or is it because it's hosted on github? I mean US citizens would still contribute. Together with a lot of people from other countries. But moving it to a European server with a European domain should increase their safety from those takedown requests, but also limits their impact when you're not on github anymore.

The DMCA only applies to the US. Fork the repo and move on. It's time to forget about American hosting.

by nilved 9y ago

The DMCA only applies to the US. Fork the repo and move on. It's time to forget about American hosting.

Sad but true :( If we could only remove the logjam in congress right now to get some real work done... currently the two parties are deadlocked in a power struggle and have completely forgotten why they're there.

zanny 9y ago
> currently the two parties are deadlocked in a power struggle You mean since about 1790? There have always been two parties in congress (minus the era of good feelings) and they have always had opposing ideology, and have almost always blocked one another's proposals. It is very naive to think the current Republican congress is anything different or new. Their inaction is intentional - they need to pass their anti-citizen legislation they were appointed for when people are not watching them. It is also somewhat inaccurate to blame it on "deadlocked parties". The factions within them to varying degrees stifle them. The parties aren't monoliths of ideology that uniformly vote the way the chair swings. If congress isn't passing good legislation, its because the constituent members of that congress aren't a majority good actors. Regardless of color. Regardless of excuses given. Politicians always act in the interest of someone. Sometimes its themselves. It used to sometimes be for their constituents (because they had to appease them for votes). Today it is mostly for corporate campaign donors. And those donors want the status quo. They don't want the changes average Americans want. The whole point of their buying and owning of politicians is to impede change. Of course a congress filled with men told to maintain gridlock and prevent reform by their masters will do so, and they do it in a way optimized for themselves - by always blaming someone else and taking no responsibility for the gridlock you cause, your base can just keep reelecting you despite hating congress in general. As long as the voters remain ignorant to this con, the business interests get what they paid for - usually corporate welfare.
- mikeash 9y ago
  This paper tells a very different story: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0123507 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.... It's true that partisanship and the two-party system have been a fixture of our system from the very early days. But there are matters of degree, and the degree today is at a peak.
- jlarocco 9y ago
  > You mean since about 1790? There have always been two parties in congress (minus the era of good feelings) and they have always had opposing ideology, and have almost always blocked one another's proposals. That's by design, actually. The goal was never to create a government that can efficiently create a million laws and regulations. The point of having multiple parties is that each of them will block each other and only the laws and regulations that everybody can agree on will actually get through. Unfortunately, politicians have been learning to game the system for ~200 years now, and it's not working exactly as designed. Another big difference lately seems to be that everybody's an extremist because nobody can change their mind or compromise without getting called out in the media for back pedaling or giving up or "working with the enemy" or whatever.
  - alphapapa 9y ago
    > The point of having multiple parties is that each of them will block each other and only the laws and regulations that everybody can agree on will actually get through. Gridlock is part of the design, yes. But consensus or unanimity are not. The simple majority rules, except for the cases defined in the Constitution, such as constitutional amendments. The Senate's filibuster is not how the Senate is supposed to function.
- hyperbovine 9y ago
  There is way more money in politics now than there was in 1790. Hell, there is way more money in politics now than there was in 1970. It's the root of all evil, it really is. Name any malady you want of our current system -- at the end of the day I guarantee you it is in some way attributable to somebody buying influence at some point.
bradleyankrom 9y ago
also, few (if any) have the understanding of technology to affect appropriate reforms, which leads to industry lobbyists crafting legislation.
- warrenm 9y ago
  what happens when lawyers are elected to congress
civilian 9y ago
Libertarian here-- what makes you think that the two parties working together will increase our liberty in regards to the internet? The logjam keeps the parties from working together to create new inefficient programs, expand others, increase spending. The logjam is _great_ and frankly I hope it continues.
659087 9y ago
They never forgot why they were there, it's just that the reason (self enrichment, both financially and in terms of power) isn't the one US citizens believe it's supposed to be.
okreallywtf 9y ago
Do you have some good examples of what people would consider obstructionism coming from the Democrats? Its easy to find over Obama's 8 years, but how much consistent obstructionism have the Democrats engaged in? Every single minor thing under Obama was an absolute catastrophe, every budget every debt ceiling, pretty much no matter what. For some reason both parties get equal "credit" for the lack of progress but I can't personally see it that way though I try to have an open mind. When having a discussion with someone about obstructionism I like to point to instances on both sides, and if it seems one side has twice as many that make a difference to me and I refuse do acknowledge that they are truly the same, numbers matter.

komali2 9y ago

What about when the USA sent super cops to rappel into Kim dotcoms house and kick down doors?

CoryG89 9y ago
Kim should have chosen a different country. One that isn't so keen on letting the US raid their citizens.
- djsumdog 9y ago
  I don't think such a country exists. The influence of American's empire, and its entertainment industry, is pretty vast.
  - walterstucco 9y ago
    Kim was already persona non Grata in different countries, accused of copyright infringement AND other serious crimes He should have stayed in Honk Kong Btw nobody could make you take down a link from a list if you host it in EU. Not even DOJ It's perfectly legal and it's a protected right
  - kuschku 9y ago
    And this is why maybe Trump can have one good effect: By causing other countries to distance itself from the US.
    - allemagne 9y ago
      The unfortunate truth is that there are mostly only much more authoritarian countries to fill any leadership void left by the US. As flawed as it is, and as flawed as Trump is, European countries can only step up so much to keep liberal democratic societies as the global ideal.
      - kuschku 9y ago
        Maybe it could also help Europe to unify better. I'm certainly hopeful.

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Lunatic666 9y ago

Would forking really help or is it because it's hosted on github? I mean US citizens would still contribute. Together with a lot of people from other countries. But moving it to a European server with a European domain should increase their safety from those takedown requests, but also limits their impact when you're not on github anymore.