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> I don't really understand the negativity being leveled at this guy. I read the memo and I'm not sure how you can overlook how sexist and demeaning the memo a
by cmiles74 9y ago
> I don't really understand the negativity being leveled at this guy.
I read the memo and I'm not sure how you can overlook how sexist and demeaning the memo actually is. I'm talking about content that is front and center starting on page 3, under the heading "Possible non-bias causes of the gender gap in tech". Specifically content like...
> I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men
and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership.
Right there he's asserting that there are less women in technical leadership roles because biology. That's an asinine assertion and it's insulting in a pretty aggressive way.
> Because as “society becomes more prosperous and more egalitarian, innate
dispositional differences between men and women have more space to develop and the gap that exists between men and women in their personality traits becomes wider.” We need to stop assuming that gender gaps imply sexism.
This is also pretty insulting to everyone who has been the victim of sexism in the workplace, during a performance review or while interviewing for employment. We know that sexism in software engineering is a real issue, yet here the author makes a sweeping dismissal.
From here on the document simply gets worse and worse. There's the backhanded assertion that maybe men are in leadership because they don't value a balanced life and strive for status. There's the bit where he talks about how the work itself needs to be changed to be more social. And on and on.
Remember that people aren't asking for software engineering itself to change, they are simply asking for fair and even-handed treatment despite their gender. That this person feels that, in fact, fair and even-handed treatment despite gender is unreasonable is, in fact, deeply upsetting to a lot of people (myself included).
Many have tried to make the argument that he's saying something different, but I'm hard pressed to find that in the actual memo. For sure, he's talking about how maybe the gender gap in technology can never be truly eliminated and yes, I agree that may be a goal we never achieve. But he's also arguing that maybe we shouldn't bother, or maybe we should carve out a specific niche of work for a specific gender and that's unacceptable and insulting.
Should he be fired? I don't know, nor care. But he's not being persecuted for his speech. He embarrassed his employer publicly and suffers the same consequences that you or I would for doing the same: he's lost his position.
- chongli 9y agoThat's an asinine assertion and it's insulting in a pretty aggressive way. They're called person-oriented vs. thing-oriented preferences. One of the biggest smoking guns I've seen is the study on prenatal androgen and occupations. [0] It shows a marked difference between women born with congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) and more typical women. This suggests very strongly that male sex hormones in utero affect the development of the brain in a way that orients the person towards things/systems rather than people. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166361/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166361/
- cmiles74 9y agoGiven that sexism is a problem, that seems like the more obvious cause of the gender gap in software engineering leadership. Perhaps something like this does have an effect on some level, although I think the effects are small and variance in the population is always larger then people think. Even so, it shouldn't be used as an excuse to simply accept status quo and avoid taking any steps to try and close this gender gap.
- chongli 9y agoGiven that sexism is a problem, that seems like the more obvious cause of the gender gap in software engineering leadership. Sexism was a big problem for women who entered fields such as law and medicine back in the 60s and 70s. In spite of all that, women are now extremely well-represented in those fields. You're making the claim that sexism is the primary reason why women are underrepresented in engineering. That's not enough. You should be able to show how sexism in engineering is fundamentally different from the sexism women faced in those other fields in order to explain the difference in representation.
- cmiles74 9y agoI don't think there's any difference in the way people face sexism in the software engineering field. I expect it's much the same sexism that people experienced in law and medicine; I'm not sure why there would be any material difference. The field is dominated by one gender and they do their best to prevent entrance by the other gender. It's played out this same way, as you point out, so many times in the past. On the contrary, I'd ask you what makes software engineering so special that it wouldn't fall into this historic pitfall.