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Yes, he went there after interviewing with the alt-right misogynist.

by pdkl95 9y ago

leereeves 9y ago
You're making an awfully big deal out of the order of interviews.
- pdkl95 9y ago
  No, the order is not important. The point that your three replies have carefully avoided is that it was his choice to associate himself with a prominent alt-right misogynist. You even suggested that he really avoided mainstream sources fearing misrepresentation, which means Molyneux must was his safe space.
  - leereeves 9y ago
    Guilt by association is a rather weak argument. If the best evidence you can find for your proposition is that he once spoke with someone, you should drop the idea. > he really avoided mainstream sources fearing misrepresentation Not "fearing". Having actually experienced misrepresentation. Also, not "mainstream", far-left, like The Guardian.
    - eesmith 9y ago
      "Far-left"? What Overton window are you looking through? The Guardian is center-left.
      - leereeves 9y ago
        Today in The Guardian: Salma Hayek is right: compared with women, men are lazy and entitled
        eesmith 9y ago
        And your point is ... that every op ed piece in a newspaper (in this case, 'Julie Bindel is a freelance journalist and political activist, and a founder of Justice for Women') reflects the position of the newspaper as a whole? Edit: FWIW, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian says it's "centre-left". By comparison, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_Unit... describes Morning Star as "Left-wing, socialist".
        leereeves 9y ago
        "Freelance" in the sense that she's written 383 articles for The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/profile/juliebindel https://www.theguardian.com/profile/juliebindel
        danso 9y ago
        Er, why do you put "freelance" in quotes? Being a freelance vs. staff member is not about number of articles you've written, but how and how much you are paid, the benefits you receive, who you report to in the editorial bureaucracy, and your day-to-day obligations to the company. She seems to write a lot of op-ed type pieces, which are meant to "oppose" the editorial page (in a physical sense, but sometimes in voice/topic). The fact that the freelance editor is OK with working with her, over and over, is not nothing. Just as Bret Stephens being hired as a NYT columnist is not nothing about the NYT's priorities, even as he has no contact or relationship with NYT's news reporters.
        leereeves 9y ago
        My point was that the word freelance suggests someone is independent of the organization, while writing 383 articles for The Guardian suggests otherwise. Clearly she likes The Guardian and they like her opinion very much. More significantly, their opinion writers range from left to extreme left.
- danso 9y ago
  I dunno, the timeline is not flattering. What's the innocuous explanation for first speaking out on Stefan Molyneux's channel? That Damore has only heard of Molyneux, but Molyneux happened to be the first to successfully reach out to Damore? Or if we assume Damore was the initiator in getting his story out, why would Molyneux be the first contact, as opposed to someone like Cernovich, who has a much bigger audience and has been blogging/tweeting in extensive support of Damore? I suppose Damore believes there's a substantive difference in politics/style/production between Molyneux/Cernvoich/Peterson/etc. But that he knows enough about Molyneux to want to give him priority probably means Damore is not just a causal fan. I get that Damore doesn't trust nor feel obligated to talk to the left-wing-side of media, e.g. CNN/MSNBC/NYT. But literally anyone at FOX News would be just as sympathetic as Molyneux towards Damore, while having a bigger audience and more mainstream credibility (plus, production values that doesn't make Damore look and sound like a basement Twitch streamer). (I don't watch Molyneux enough to have a strong opinion about his associations. But given his decent-but-not-huge channel, seems unusual that he'd be Damore's first pick by chance, given Damore's many options).
  - leereeves 9y ago
    > That Damore has only heard of Molyneux, but Molyneux happened to be the first to successfully reach out to Damore? What's wrong with that explanation? Perhaps Damore, like most of us, doesn't watch any of Molyneux/Cernvoich/Peterson and thus simply accepted an interview from whoever contacted him first.

Yes, he went there after interviewing with the alt-right misogynist.

by pdkl95 9y ago

Yes, he went there after interviewing with the alt-right misogynist.

leereeves 9y ago

You're making an awfully big deal out of the order of interviews.

pdkl95 9y ago
No, the order is not important. The point that your three replies have carefully avoided is that it was his choice to associate himself with a prominent alt-right misogynist. You even suggested that he really avoided mainstream sources fearing misrepresentation, which means Molyneux must was his safe space.
- leereeves 9y ago
  Guilt by association is a rather weak argument. If the best evidence you can find for your proposition is that he once spoke with someone, you should drop the idea. > he really avoided mainstream sources fearing misrepresentation Not "fearing". Having actually experienced misrepresentation. Also, not "mainstream", far-left, like The Guardian.
  - eesmith 9y ago
    "Far-left"? What Overton window are you looking through? The Guardian is center-left.
    - leereeves 9y ago
      Today in The Guardian: Salma Hayek is right: compared with women, men are lazy and entitled
      - eesmith 9y ago
        And your point is ... that every op ed piece in a newspaper (in this case, 'Julie Bindel is a freelance journalist and political activist, and a founder of Justice for Women') reflects the position of the newspaper as a whole? Edit: FWIW, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian says it's "centre-left". By comparison, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_Unit... describes Morning Star as "Left-wing, socialist".
        leereeves 9y ago
        "Freelance" in the sense that she's written 383 articles for The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/profile/juliebindel https://www.theguardian.com/profile/juliebindel
        danso 9y ago
        Er, why do you put "freelance" in quotes? Being a freelance vs. staff member is not about number of articles you've written, but how and how much you are paid, the benefits you receive, who you report to in the editorial bureaucracy, and your day-to-day obligations to the company. She seems to write a lot of op-ed type pieces, which are meant to "oppose" the editorial page (in a physical sense, but sometimes in voice/topic). The fact that the freelance editor is OK with working with her, over and over, is not nothing. Just as Bret Stephens being hired as a NYT columnist is not nothing about the NYT's priorities, even as he has no contact or relationship with NYT's news reporters.
        leereeves 9y ago
        My point was that the word freelance suggests someone is independent of the organization, while writing 383 articles for The Guardian suggests otherwise. Clearly she likes The Guardian and they like her opinion very much. More significantly, their opinion writers range from left to extreme left.
danso 9y ago
I dunno, the timeline is not flattering. What's the innocuous explanation for first speaking out on Stefan Molyneux's channel? That Damore has only heard of Molyneux, but Molyneux happened to be the first to successfully reach out to Damore? Or if we assume Damore was the initiator in getting his story out, why would Molyneux be the first contact, as opposed to someone like Cernovich, who has a much bigger audience and has been blogging/tweeting in extensive support of Damore? I suppose Damore believes there's a substantive difference in politics/style/production between Molyneux/Cernvoich/Peterson/etc. But that he knows enough about Molyneux to want to give him priority probably means Damore is not just a causal fan. I get that Damore doesn't trust nor feel obligated to talk to the left-wing-side of media, e.g. CNN/MSNBC/NYT. But literally anyone at FOX News would be just as sympathetic as Molyneux towards Damore, while having a bigger audience and more mainstream credibility (plus, production values that doesn't make Damore look and sound like a basement Twitch streamer). (I don't watch Molyneux enough to have a strong opinion about his associations. But given his decent-but-not-huge channel, seems unusual that he'd be Damore's first pick by chance, given Damore's many options).
- leereeves 9y ago
  > That Damore has only heard of Molyneux, but Molyneux happened to be the first to successfully reach out to Damore? What's wrong with that explanation? Perhaps Damore, like most of us, doesn't watch any of Molyneux/Cernvoich/Peterson and thus simply accepted an interview from whoever contacted him first.