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Ok, just to clear up the confusion (because not all posts in this thread use the same terminology): Home NAT, which is equivalent to suffix randomization, does
by beagle3 9y ago
Ok, just to clear up the confusion (because not all posts in this thread use the same terminology):
Home NAT, which is equivalent to suffix randomization, does NOT afford any privacy.
Carrier Grade NAT, which would be equivalent to prefix randomization (if such a thing existed) DOES afford some privacy, provided that care is taken not to leak other data (through cookies, browser fingerprinting, stylometrics, etc).
I am not currently at home behind a CGNAT, because my ISP is apparently IPv4 rich, but they are planning to switch at some point. I am behind a CGNAT on my mobile. I have no problem doing peer to peer on either using a STUN server I run on a $2 VPS that comes with an IPV4 address. I also tunnel ssh to my home through it when I want to.
The same ISP, if I request an IPv6, will give me the prefix it assigned to me the day I signed up. That's how they roll (They actually play it as a feature - "you pay for a fixed IPv4, but you get a fixed IPv6 for free! without even asking!")
IPv6 allows you to play "equal part" - it's routable, yes, but if everyone was equal we would have mob rule by DDoS attacks way worse than we do now (perhaps everyone is equal and we will have them .... if that's the case, it will stop being the case after a few high profile attacks as such).
Also, 99.9% of the people do not know how to secure their networks or devices. If everything was routable, as you seem to desire, I think we'd be worse off. As it is, the local home NATs provide a bit of security (which no one would have designed - we got lucky they were there because of address scarcity) and the CGNATs/random V4 assignment provide a bit of privacy (which got lip service, but would not have been as effective if not for address scarcity).
My threat model includes "$company can track my whereabouts online regardless of what I do about it". Your threat model seems to be "I can't route to my server without another hop". It's not that one is valid and on is invalid - it's just that they are incompatible with each other.
- vertex-four 9y ago> Also, 99.9% of the people do not know how to secure their networks or devices. I take it that you've never heard of a firewall on your router. Mine ships default deny. I assume yours does too.
- zimpenfish 9y agoDoesn't help if the router is easily hackable - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40382877 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40382877 > "Because the default wi-fi password formats are known, it's not difficult to crack them," said Mr Munro. > Once an attacker has access to your wi-fi network, they can seek out further vulnerabilities.
- beagle3 9y agoI'm well aware of it, but that just means all those amazing peer to peer protocols[0] that are waiting to be implemented were hyperbole, doesn't it? You know, "default deny" and stuff. Oh sure, there will be a protocol, probably called "Universal hole-Punch aNd-get Pwned" or some acronym thereof, to relax that "default deny". [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14988022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14988022