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The whole premise that women are less represented in tech because of biological differences as opposed to deeply ingrained gender bias.

brailsafe 9y ago
Go on
- idibidiart 9y ago
  "Go on" is the main trick I used in making IRC chatter bots back in the 90s... as in when my pattern matching fails to find a sentient thing to say.
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  - brailsafe 9y ago
    Very similar trick my chatter bot is using here but it hasn't found a sentient thing to respond to :-)
    - idibidiart 9y ago
      Upvoted!
Stratoscope 9y ago
Personally I would find it more informative to see specific examples from the memo that illustrate your point, rather than just a general impression. Something like "the author wrote 'abc', which I consider to be hate speech because..." It's not a burning issue for me, so if you don't have examples, that's fine. I was just hoping to be enlightened a bit on this, but no worries either way.
yorwba 9y ago
That's the conclusion, not the premise. I happen to disagree with the conclusion, because the argument is flawed, but I do not think that it constitutes hate speech. There is not enough hate in it. I mean, Damore makes proposals for diversity programs that he believes would be better at getting women into programming, based on this conclusion. That doesn't seem very hateful to me.
- idibidiart 9y ago
  He concluded it before he started writing it. So call "conclusion" that what you want but I call it as the premise. Dude, you need a girlfriend, a women friend, a daughter or a mother whom you respect in your life. Then you'll understand the ways in which acts like this hurts them so deeply. It's terrible.
  - yorwba 9y ago
    > He concluded it before he started writing it. So call "conclusion" that what you want but I call it as the premise. Fair enough. > Then you'll understand the ways in which acts like this hurts them so deeply. I'm self-reflective enough to know that I'm unlikely to ever be as good at predicting emotional reactions of others as most people. That said, I have been deeply hurt by statements that made me feel less valued than I thought I deserved. That does not mean that they were hate speech. Even at the time, I was fully aware that they were justified, which made them hurt even more. Amusingly, trying to think of an instance of this reminded me of the time in high school when I was supposed to write an essay on gender roles in the work place. I made an evo psych argument that gender specific division of work made sense in the ancestral environment, but that conditions had changed and attempts at segregation were failing to realize this. My teacher marked me down for "not engaging with the question" (or something like that, my memory is hazy). I was so mad at myself for going off on that tangent.
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brailsafe 9y ago

Go on

idibidiart 9y ago
"Go on" is the main trick I used in making IRC chatter bots back in the 90s... as in when my pattern matching fails to find a sentient thing to say.
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- brailsafe 9y ago
  Very similar trick my chatter bot is using here but it hasn't found a sentient thing to respond to :-)
  - idibidiart 9y ago
    Upvoted!

Stratoscope 9y ago

Personally I would find it more informative to see specific examples from the memo that illustrate your point, rather than just a general impression. Something like "the author wrote 'abc', which I consider to be hate speech because..." It's not a burning issue for me, so if you don't have examples, that's fine. I was just hoping to be enlightened a bit on this, but no worries either way.

yorwba 9y ago

That's the conclusion, not the premise. I happen to disagree with the conclusion, because the argument is flawed, but I do not think that it constitutes hate speech. There is not enough hate in it. I mean, Damore makes proposals for diversity programs that he believes would be better at getting women into programming, based on this conclusion. That doesn't seem very hateful to me.

idibidiart 9y ago
He concluded it before he started writing it. So call "conclusion" that what you want but I call it as the premise. Dude, you need a girlfriend, a women friend, a daughter or a mother whom you respect in your life. Then you'll understand the ways in which acts like this hurts them so deeply. It's terrible.
- yorwba 9y ago
  > He concluded it before he started writing it. So call "conclusion" that what you want but I call it as the premise. Fair enough. > Then you'll understand the ways in which acts like this hurts them so deeply. I'm self-reflective enough to know that I'm unlikely to ever be as good at predicting emotional reactions of others as most people. That said, I have been deeply hurt by statements that made me feel less valued than I thought I deserved. That does not mean that they were hate speech. Even at the time, I was fully aware that they were justified, which made them hurt even more. Amusingly, trying to think of an instance of this reminded me of the time in high school when I was supposed to write an essay on gender roles in the work place. I made an evo psych argument that gender specific division of work made sense in the ancestral environment, but that conditions had changed and attempts at segregation were failing to realize this. My teacher marked me down for "not engaging with the question" (or something like that, my memory is hazy). I was so mad at myself for going off on that tangent.
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